Stubby47's Garage Layout - Trelothen

[NHY 581]

2 hours ago, 2ManySpams said:

 

I was in two minds whether they should be mentioned but...

 

Well done. I'm very proud of you..  Small steps but its a start. 

Edited May 21, 2021 by NHY 581

[Stubby47]

31 minutes ago, 2ManySpams said:

 

Yo Stubzie

 

If you are basing your line somewhere in the Padstow area then, depending upon period, then the following locos could be useful: T9, N, O2, 45xx, Ivatt 2MT, Std 3 tank, Std 4 tank, 8750 pannier, class 121&122, class 22, Beatty Well Tank, 1366.

 

I wouldn't worry too much about tender first running between your imaginary location and Padstow / Wadebridge as a proper loco like a Spam could be put on for the onward journey with extra coaches. It was very rare for tender first running from Wadebridge to Exeter due to gradients and the exposed route. Tender first running happened between Wadebridge and Bodmin North.

 

Coaches. Well the classic SR two coach set would be a Maunsell BCK and BSK. Very very common in those parts. There was also a Bullied equivalent but we'll see what comes out in the new range. On the basis that the coach leaving your station could be added to the consist of a service heading for Okehampton, Exeter or that London, you could also justify just running a single coach. That would be a Maunsell, Bulleid or a MK1 BCK. 

 

I do know someone that now has far too much 4mm NCR stock and is considered selling up...

 

Many thanks for that, very helpful.

 

I would be interested in contacting the person selling the excess NCR stock.

[The Stationmaster]

23 hours ago, Stubby47 said:

Does that count include proposed lines and completely fictitious ones as well?

 

North Coast rail-served harbours: Hayle, Portreath, Newquay, Wadebridge, Padstow, Bude.

I suppose it depends how you count them Stu.  Padstow and Wadebridge were sidings although the latter was accessed via ground frame but the lines split into sidings almost immediately off the Padstow line.  The Newquay Harbour branch was almost three quarters of a mile of plain single line, including 5 level crossings (!) before reaching the top of the incline and although the Portreath branch was much longer before it reached the top of the incline it served three intermediate sidings in that distance before reaching the incline down to the harbour so it was just not a line to the harbour.   

 

I've never really thought of the Hayle Wharves branch in the same context as it served various other industries not always directly connected with the port and hence more noted in my time handling rail traffic for other purpose than anything to do with shipping - familarity obviously bred a level of contempt the wrong way of my looking at it.  Amusingly it was in reality little more than along siding being shorter than the long lost Newquay Harbour branch.

 

I only counted infrastructure that physically connected to the main rail network and would have allowed through running  and which actually existed at one time or another.  Portreath Harbour was of course at one time  also served. by a 'tram road of local interest although it closed very early on'.  Incidentally I didn't include Lelant Quay, on the St ives branch, as it too was simply a siding and had closed by the time of the Great War.

[St Enodoc]

On 21/05/2021 at 02:37, TheSignalEngineer said:

One was to extend the branch from Grogley Junction to meet with the Newquay line at Roche

I've done that, except that my branch joins the Cornwall Minerals Railway line near St Columb Road rather than Roche:

 

 

On 21/05/2021 at 02:37, TheSignalEngineer said:

An option from Roche was to get into one of the valleys feeding the River Fal and follow it to St Mawes. 

Similar to what @KymN has done with Fal Vale:

 

 

[TheSignalEngineer]

If you want to find a nevawazza back story for almost any part of the country this is a good starting point.

http://www.lawcom.gov.uk/app/uploads/2015/03/slr_railways_abortive_projects.pdf

Just beware that if you start tracking any of the routes you may be gone for some time.

 

[Stubby47]

Thanks for that link, lots of interesting reading there.

 

I am doing further research at Kresen Kernow next week, following up on the proposed line from Padstow. The documents cannot be put online ( at present) so a visit to Redruth is required.

 

There is an OS map with the route marked, so that may influence how Trelothen develops.

[Stubby47]

Took advantage of the decent weather and some time off work to collect more inspiration for shops for Trelothen. 

 

Ignoring the ground floor modern-day shop fronts, there is much character and interest to be found higher up.

 

 

 

 

[Siberian Snooper]

I like the reverse curve in the first photo, certainly not something you would probably notice whilst walking by.

 

Thanks for the post.

 

 

[Stubby47]

27 minutes ago, Siberian Snooper said:

I like the reverse curve in the first photo, certainly not something you would probably notice whilst walking by.

 

Thanks for the post.

 

 

 

The first three pics are from Victoria Square, Truro, if you need to use Street View. 

[Siberian Snooper]

Thanks, I will pay more attention, next time I venture over the border and get down to Truro.

 

 

 

 

[Stubby47]

20 hours ago, Stubby47 said:

Ignoring the ground floor modern-day shop fronts, there is much character and interest to be found higher up.

 

Which got me thinking.

 

I have a wide variety of stock, from various liveries of GWR, through BR Steam,green diesel and blue diesel, so Trelothen will be run in different eras.

 

As the basic buildings don't change over the years,  just the shop frontages, can I make exchangeable shops to match the era of the stock...?

[ian]

35 minutes ago, Stubby47 said:

As the basic buildings don't change over the years,  just the shop frontages, can I make exchangeable shops to match the era of the stock...?

 

Getting them in and out past the various bits cluttering the road and pavement would be an entertainment but not insoluble.

[Kris]

40 minutes ago, Stubby47 said:

 

Which got me thinking.

 

I have a wide variety of stock, from various liveries of GWR, through BR Steam,green diesel and blue diesel, so Trelothen will be run in different eras.

 

As the basic buildings don't change over the years,  just the shop frontages, can I make exchangeable shops to match the era of the stock...?

Making the fronts magnetic could work. 

[Stubby47]

2 minutes ago, Kris said:

Making the fronts magnetic could work. 

 

That was what I thought too.

Magnets on the building and pieces of iron wire embedded in the frontages.

[Stubby47]

14 minutes ago, ian said:

 

Getting them in and out past the various bits cluttering the road and pavement would be an entertainment but not insoluble.

 

Road vehicles and pedestrians will also be inter changeable.  I'm only thinking of perhaps the main name board, or where possible the front window and display.

[Siberian Snooper]

I think that so long as you avoid the big plate glass shop windows, you're home and dry, apart from the colour and the type of sign writing I don't think shop fronts changed much until about the mid 60's.

 

 

[Mikkel]

Nice idea with the interchangeable shop fronts. To add further variety, perhaps each era could have just one "signature building". They would have the same footprint to be directly interchangeable. Doesn't have to be complex structures. Might just be bus stops.

[Stubby47]

On 21/05/2021 at 17:38, 2ManySpams said:

I do know someone that now has far too much 4mm NCR stock and is considered selling up...

 

Spammers,

 

Have you got hold of that bloke yet who's giving away his NCR Stuff ?

[2ManySpams]

1 minute ago, Stubby47 said:

 

Spammers,

 

Have you got hold of that bloke yet who's giving away his NCR Stuff ?

 

Erm yes and no. Yes, he's definitely selling stock. No, hasn't set foot in the train room for many months due to other projects underway. Must give him a kick...

[The Johnster]

On 22/05/2021 at 22:20, TheSignalEngineer said:

If you want to find a nevawazza back story for almost any part of the country this is a good starting point.

http://www.lawcom.gov.uk/app/uploads/2015/03/slr_railways_abortive_projects.pdf

Just beware that if you start tracking any of the routes you may be gone for some time.

 

Wow.  The first one, the Aberdare and Mid Wales, and the Ogmore Dock and Railway company, have featured in abandoned layout schemes of mine in the past, without my prior knowledge that they had ever been actually proposed and authorised.  The A & MW would in my plan have had a branch to Brecon via Ystradfellte and the Heol Senni pass, following roughly the course of the ancient Sarn Helen north of Ystradfellte village, which would have developed into a larger village based on limestone quarrying.  Gradients would have been severe.

 

The Ogmore Dock & Railway scheme in my plan incorporated a tidal harbour at the mouth of the Ogmore, with a passenger terminal on the southeast side for paddle steamers, which might have berthed against the breakwater, and coal wharves on the Merthyr Mawr side, a part of the Tondu Valleys network but probably promoted by interests other than the Brodgens/North Navigation Collieries that developed the Llynfi and Ogmore Vale areas, and the dock would have been a rival to Porthcawl.  The cost of dredging the entrance channel and the limited size of ships able to use the dock would have resulted in an early closure, probably even before Porthcawl's, though a revival in coastal trade unable to gain access to the very busy Swansea, Port Talbot, Barry, Cardiff, and Newport docks might have kept it going into grouping times.

 

My layout would have been set in the early 50s, with the dock itself abandoned and derelict but perhaps a scrappie breaking up war surplus Flower Class fleet escorts and the like, this and traffic for a few small engineering concerns backing up an auto commuter service, and an occasional connection for a paddle steamer.

Edited June 21, 2021 by The Johnster

[Stubby47]

Following the great Land Rover shenanigans,  I find myself with these two specimens. 

Thoughts are to add them as a load to a suitable wagon, possibly a warflat, but why they would be passing through Trelothen is anyone's guess.

[Stubby47]

Warflat has been ordered from KMRC, by SWMBO

[Mikkel]

So that was the real plan behind it all. Very clever 

[Stubby47]

Having read this thread, 

 

and noting the use of the Canute Road Quay track plan, I've been thinking about the goods yard area and what would be suitable.

CRQ is not too dissimilar to my own Treamble, but I like the kickback siding on the quayside. I could also use this as the feed to the remote factory, which would ease the requirement of a branching point on the uphill main line.

 

The engine shed on CRQ would become the Fish shed siding, so mostly a single engine both bringing the train and shunting.

 

Next is to plan a typical operating sequence to determine the positions of magnets ( permanent or electro).

[Stubby47]

Earlier, I posted this on Al's Ladmanlow thread.

It's a model of a shed which now no longer exists, but it was made almost 10 years ago.

 

In that time I've started several layouts, even finished a couple of them and taken them to shows, but I still don't have a home layout.

Trelothen is my answer to that, but as yet nothing has physically been done.

 

I need to pull my finger out.