robmcg Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 A little play with color. Air gun, brush and powder. The dust cover covered with a paper handkerchief. Not yet finished. But she looks so already better. Ari Very impressive. The extra sandboxes look great too. I don't think anyone with a lightly weathered version need think that they cannot be made to look excellent. I like the hint of shine on the boiler which hints at heat and steam, and imagine the heavily weathered versions will be somewhat more 'flat' in appearance, with a few white stains maybe. Thanks for putting the pictures up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Dammit there's a rumour a rotary-bunker will be tested on Standedge so I've already primed her indoors to watch out for the postie delivering my new pencil case..... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 ... But she looks so already better... Partly due to the holiday she's enjoying! Lovely scene. Whereabouts is this little known continental division of the LMS? Great though the 8F was, the Fowler Garratt could steam well and with better frames/bearings it could have been a better engine than it was, being rather specialised in intent... It is a little surprising that the LMS, home of the accountancy 'rebuild', didn't give the Garratts the bearing and valve gear upgrade required to fully exploit the boiler's potential. However, with Stanier's brief to operate a general scrap and build to a new standard re-equipment programme, it was perhaps equally possible that this very non-standard item might have been reduced to steel mill feedstock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted March 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2014 Got mine today and fitted DCC, and removed the coal bunker cover. She looks amazing, well pleased - a hell of a lot of loco for the money! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Dear Mr RMweb, I have never seen a real LMS Beyer Garratt, but, looking at the nice pictures, I would like one. However, I find I find the differences in weathering confusing. I'd like my engine to look at its best, in ex-works condition, so I'd be grateful for information on how much weathering the LMS applied, and what kind of paint they used. Thanking you in anticipation, Ernie Splutmuscle. Edited March 20, 2014 by bluebottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerryP Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Any chance of a video of your Garratt with Olivia's sound please Gerry Only bought the sound chip yesterday, waiting for heavy weathered BR version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 ...I'd be grateful for information on how much weathering the LMS applied, and what kind of paint they used... Their own formulation manufactured in immense quantity all over the system, which led to the company acronym being comprehended as 'Lots More Smoke': as applied variously referred to as Crewed Ordure, Derby Dunghill etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Hawkins Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Only bought the sound chip yesterday, waiting for heavy weathered BR version. Ok Gerry, thanks, I'd like all twelve of them eventually and would like them all sound fitted i normally have Howes sound fitted to my loco's but would be interested to hear the Olivia's version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Their own formulation manufactured in immense quantity all over the system, which led to the company acronym being comprehended as 'Lots More Smoke': as applied variously referred to as Crewed Ordure, Derby Dunghill etc. Huh - that's nothing! The GWR had a special wagon for their weathering pigment - they used cow manure. BR too had a special wagon for weathering material - but they used sludge. I can't speak for the LNER and SR - perhaps they just used withdrawn traffic wagons? Come to think of it, though - the SR weathering compound may have arrived on the Dover Train Ferry in continental ferry wagons; similarly the LNER's via Harwich. The opacity of the muck carried by these railways' stock suggests a continental source, perhaps containing rotten garlic and Gitanes ash? Just my theories, anyway. Regards, John Isherwood. Edited March 20, 2014 by cctransuk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted March 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20, 2014 I have listened to the Eureka AD 60 and it is a superb sound. When I contacted them they said they could not sell the chips separately because of an agreement with the manufacturer of said chip. Anyway if Olivia's have an AD60 sound file it will sound wonderful in the British Garratt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Their own formulation manufactured in immense quantity all over the system, which led to the company acronym being comprehended as 'Lots More Smoke': as applied variously referred to as Crewed Ordure, Derby Dunghill etc.Here is a quiet LMS shed on a Sunday evening, raising steam... for a week of double return rosters. I used to hang around a main line steam shed on cold winter Sunday afternoons in the 60s and there WAS a lot of smoke at times. Engines being prepared for overnight expresses vibrating with energy, or so it felt when I got a ride on the cab, and engines for the next morning's mostly goods train work still being slowly warmed maybe with a new fire and clean grate, or after a boiler washout. Our man in the cab is enjoying the cold fresh air, warming himself before climbing up to trim the coal, then it will be 16 sand boxes to check, if he is going to be thorough. I noticed when fiddling with this pic that the lower centre lamp bracket on my model was slightly off-centre, if this was Hornby there would be angry letters to the editor... in any event I centred it. Edited March 20, 2014 by robmcg 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlogiston Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Do the 2 coupled wheel sets different sized wheels? The videos seem to show this. i doubt it very much, they should all be the same size surely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 The wheelsests would be turned same nominal size when new. What happened at re-profiling of the tyre, you really need either the works standard, or better yet someone who worked in the turnery and could tell what actually happened. For sure the wheelsets on one engine would all be turned down same size, because the mechanical linkage would induce excessive wear if not. But there is no need to have the wheelsets on the other engine unit same size, they run unrestrained relative to each other, and will just rotate at the railspeed. Visually it would be near impossible to detect on overall diameter, even with new nominal size one engine, and minimum acceptable diameter on the other engine. The tyre thickness difference should be visible though; someone with a lot of photos might care to trawl through carefully looking for any hint of this. ...similarly the LNER's via Harwich. The opacity of the muck carried by these railways' stock suggests a continental source, perhaps containing rotten garlic and Gitanes ash?... As far as the Southern end of the system was concerned, it came from a very foreign country, not overseas but the republic of South Yorkshire. The resulting tangy reek of the coal smoke can still be sniffed out in the tunnels near KX... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 ... As far as the Southern end of the system was concerned, it came from a very foreign country, not overseas but the republic of South Yorkshire. ... Have they got electric power up there yet? I tried to buy a weathered Duke of Gloucester off a large Yorkshire weathering model engine seller and I got the distinct impression they were using treadle-power to drive their computers, and they appear to supply tracking numbers rather randomly, "we just pop down once a week to get them" and when I pursued my request, (which may have reached them by carrier pigeon), I was further advised that it didn't matter much because the package hadn't gone missing yet. Spike Milligan couldn't have written it better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Peterborough via Oldham......? A should'a gone to Specsavers ... No, I said Oakham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 ... when I pursued my request, (which may have reached them by carrier pigeon), I was further advised that it didn't matter much because the package hadn't gone missing yet... My wife's family are Yorksha folk, and to say they have a robust and typically variant view of life from the generality of the Southern English barely encompasses it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) It is a little surprising that the LMS, home of the accountancy 'rebuild', didn't give the Garratts the bearing and valve gear upgrade required to fully exploit the boiler's potential. From what I've been told, it wasn't a case of the LMS declining an upgrade, they deliberately chose to downgrade the bearings etc from the specifications recommended by Beyer Peacock. Unfortunately, at the time, Derby seems to have been run by people who considered that having parts interchangeable with locos dating from the 1890s was more important than making the best of what could have been a very good locomotive. John Edited March 27, 2014 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overground Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) I have been very disappointed with the garratts build quality. When the loco first arrived, it turned up with damaged valve gear and was returned immediately. The replacement was no better, looking like it had been dropped and was covered in glue marks. This morning the third arrived and upon, opening the box all looked well and the loco finally made it to the layout! Sadly after no more than than a few minuets running the valve gear on the front engine unit failed, falling off on the left hand side of the front engine unit. I have to say Hattons have been excellent with their service and replacing the loco, I'm just hoping that the fourth loco will be fine and that future Heljan steam locos do not suffer with the same poor build quality. Edited April 14, 2014 by Overground Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free At Last Posted April 14, 2014 Share Posted April 14, 2014 Hattons must have a good quantity of these as after all the sales and replacements they are still showing more than 10 in stock of both models. With 10 more versions still to come I hope they prove to be a good seller for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted April 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) It's probably a good job they have more than 10 in stock given the rate that Overground is getting through them. Edited April 15, 2014 by 7013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve45 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Due to personal economic reasons I have cancelled my order for a round bunkered version but to be honest given the issues outlined above I am not that disappointed. Steve 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venetian Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I've returned four BGs to Hattons for QC issues of one type or another and my current engine is not perfect but acceptable providing I can get replacement steps and sanding pipework. The thing is they all derail on S bends consisting of a pair of Hornby R608s 3rd radius curves with a straight in between. The leading set of driving wheels derail both on my layout and on a test track I set up to see what's wrong. None of my other over eighty engines derail including fine scale and 10 coupled. Any ideas anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I've returned four BGs to Hattons for QC issues of one type or another and my current engine is not perfect but acceptable providing I can get replacement steps and sanding pipework. The thing is they all derail on S bends consisting of a pair of Hornby R608s 3rd radius curves with a straight in between. The leading set of driving wheels derail both on my layout and on a test track I set up to see what's wrong. None of my other over eighty engines derail including fine scale and 10 coupled. Any ideas anyone? First thing to do is check the Back to back dimensions of the drivers - are they the same as your other locos? Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 One of the problems with producing scale model locomotives and coaches is trainset curves. There are probably many hundreds of modellers using them for convenience and space reasons, but they are undoubtedly holding the hobby back at this stage of the game. If everyone moved out a little and adopted something like 24" radius minimum, it would at least give manufacturers of RTR and kits a bit more leeway. Designing a Beyer-Garratt to negotiate trainset curves must have been a challenge to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted April 24, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2014 Due to personal economic reasons I have cancelled my order for a round bunkered version but to be honest given the issues outlined above I am not that disappointed. Steve I've cancelled my order too, purely for the fact that I won't have the time to run it and it's a big investment to have just sitting around in it's box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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