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21 hours ago, robmcg said:

 

I have a Facebook page 'BR Steam Photos'   and another 'US Articulated Steam Locomotives'.

 

Thanks, good stuff.

 

I noticed in one of your captions you said colour film wasn't around in 1936. Kodachrome stills transpancy film was launched in 1935.

The more cumberson, expensive and slow Autochrome process well before that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autochrome_Lumière

 

 Nieuport fighter taken in WW1

 

 

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2 hours ago, maico said:

 

Thanks, good stuff.

 

I noticed in one of your captions you said colour film wasn't around in 1936. Kodachrome stills transpancy film was launched in 1935.

The more cumberson, expensive and slow Autochrome process well before that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autochrome_Lumière

 

 Nieuport fighter taken in WW1

 

 

Nieuport_23_C.1.jpg

 

 

Perhaps I should have written, not widely used before about 1936.  Apologies.

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Perhaps I should have written, not widely used before about 1936.  Apologies

I think you could say just the same about 1956. While there was some use of colour film in the '30s. My recolection is that it was very late '50s, early '60s before it could be described as widely used. In the UK anyway. (Just compare the quantity of early BR photos in B/W as against colour for example).

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On 20/01/2020 at 15:24, Grovenor said:

I think you could say just the same about 1956. While there was some use of colour film in the '30s. My recolection is that it was very late '50s, early '60s before it could be described as widely used. In the UK anyway. (Just compare the quantity of early BR photos in B/W as against colour for example).

 

In WW2 the German Wehrmacht photographers used Agfacolor right up until the end at the battle of Seelow heights just outside Berlin.

 

British Army in Italy having a rather better time of it.

 

When did the habit of painting new locos in photographic gray end?  It certainly showed shape and detail well shooting large format B&W

 

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18 hours ago, amdaley said:

Could someone put up some video of one of these going through a serious workout please ?

 

I can't do a video of one of the newly-released versions running but I can show how one looks with blackened rods, pony truck brakes removed, and some colour on the ashpan area, sitting on my C&L hand-made code 75 track and my very own ballasting,  which in short is what think 'very good indeed'! It does run smoothly and nicely on my highly complex shunting plank too. :)

 

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Please note; picture has received some editing, around shadows and background mostly, but in my opinion represents a true representation of the model's potential. I intend to add three link couplings, and any number of small details.

 

Fantastic model at UKP221 

 

Will remove pic if required as I am somewhat bound by an agreement to not show my edited pictures in threads which are not mine. I do hope it doesn't offend. Not sure whether cropping and colouring and some other forms of photo editing like saturation brightness contrast and so on count as 'edited' or not. 

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

 

 

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Some more pics of the Hattons/Heljan Garratt heavily weathered by the factory,  no editing beyond tidying backgrounds and usual cropping etc. Literally as it came out of the box. Small things like sanding pipes not all perfect, but generally in my opinion stunning.

 

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No excuse now not to go out and buy several...    :)

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If I may venture one edited picture of 47993 , here is that lovely locomotive about 1954, doing what all Garratts did hauling endless lines of loaded and empty 4-wheel wagons to and from London from c1930 to 1956-7.

 

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Keep the Home Fires Burning...

 

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:)

 

 

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13 hours ago, robmcg said:

If I may venture one edited picture of 47993 , here is that lovely locomotive about 1954, doing what all Garratts did hauling endless lines of loaded and empty 4-wheel wagons to and from London from c1930 to 1956-7.

 

Will remove if required.

 

Keep the Home Fires Burning...

 

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:)

 

 

For what it's worth Rob  I really enjoy seeing your manipulated images. keep up the good work.

 

Graeme

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I have been working out some new loco storage sytems just recently, based on the Peco SL-43 Loco Lift.

When it comes to the Garratt the length is clearly too small so I have extended the cradle. Handling of the Garratt (especially after weathering) is so much easier and less likely to cause damage.

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Two extended cradles can be made from three SL-43s.

You will see bolow that a 55mm extension is added. At one end is the extended deck and at the other are the two matching aluminium profiles.

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To improve the stiffness at the joints 2 styrene sections have been inserted which luckily fit tightly into the profile. The profile self trims but ensure there are no burrs on the cut pieces so that it can be more easily inserted. I used 80mm lengths but perhaps shorter could be used.

Below are the sections purchased via eBay

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The final outcome

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And 4 loaded to a 11L Really Useful Box

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1 hour ago, zr2498 said:

Two extended cradles can be made from three SL-43s.

 

 

Surely the remaining centre section can be used to extend further units - by cutting a unit centrally and inserting an additional section?

 

John Isherwood.

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22 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

Surely the remaining centre section can be used to extend further units - by cutting a unit centrally and inserting an additional section?

 

John Isherwood.

Hi John

Yes, that could easily be done. The only down side is the tapered guides for ensuring correct wheel alignment when driving onto the cradle would be missing one end.

Dave

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51 minutes ago, zr2498 said:

Hi John

Yes, that could easily be done. The only down side is the tapered guides for ensuring correct wheel alignment when driving onto the cradle would be missing one end.

Dave

 

No - insert the extra piece into the middle of a unit. which you have cut in half.

 

That way, you still have the tapers at each end, and two butt-joints towards the centre.

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6 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

No - insert the extra piece into the middle of a unit. which you have cut in half.

 

That way, you still have the tapers at each end, and two butt-joints towards the centre.

Thanks John for the 'lateral thinking'. Agreed!

Perhaps you could help. I have just created this topic about storage boxes but it's under Heljan. Can I easily move the topic elsewhere?

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/152782-locomotive-storage-boxes-with-no-handling/

 

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1 minute ago, zr2498 said:

Thanks John for the 'lateral thinking'. Agreed!

Perhaps you could help. I have just created this topic about storage boxes but it's under Heljan. Can I easily move the topic elsewhere?

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/152782-locomotive-storage-boxes-with-no-handling/

 

 

Sorry - a bit beyond my capabilities.

 

Send a PM to AndyY, asking him to move it for you.

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

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3 minutes ago, zr2498 said:

Thanks John for the 'lateral thinking'. Agreed!

 

 

Another way of doing this, which results in tapers only at the ends, is to take two units and cut one in half.

 

Assuming that you want to add X mm. to the overall length, cut the second unit at a point X mm. from its centre.

 

Now join the longer piece you have just cut to half of the first unit - hey presto, an extended unit.

 

Take the shorter piece of the second unit and calculate how long a piece you need to add to it to produce the desired overall length - say Y mm.

 

Take a third unit and cut it Y mm. from one end; join the short length from unit two to the longer length that you have just cut from unit three - hey presto, another extended unit.

 

You can keep doing this ad infinitum, using the short offcuts to extend further units.

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

 

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1 hour ago, cctransuk said:

 

Another way of doing this, which results in tapers only at the ends, is to take two units and cut one in half.

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

 

Thanks John

Andy has moved the other topic to Modellling Q ...

Seems you have some extra time on your hands for some reason!

Cheers

Dave

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