Smallwonder Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Ok, these are photos of photos, but if of interest I could scan these and more like them when I get my scanner fitted up. Mainly Edinburgh area in late 80s plus early 1990. The two shown are the Sunday petfood train resting at Millerhil before heading on to Glasgow. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 16 hours ago, Smallwonder said: Ok, these are photos of photos, but if of interest I could scan these and more like them when I get my scanner fitted up. Mainly Edinburgh area in late 80s plus early 1990. Don't worry about the quality, Smallwonder. I think I can safely say that any photos you can post here will be of us interest to us all, and certainly to me (especially Edinburgh 80s/90s!). Cheers Dave 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) Hopefully it's okay to post this here, but I came across this photo of a 47/4 at Dundee (dated 1986), hauling an Aberdeen service with what to my eyes seems to be a rather unusual formation - appears to be a ScotRail liveried Mk2d TSOT, ScotRail liveried Mk2Z FK then a number of blue/grey pressure ventilated Mk2s (possibly Mk2A): (Photo copyright to Paul Smith flickr) Edited July 20, 2019 by hexagon789 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hexagon789 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, bigP said: Looks like the ‘spare set’. The old 2(z) TSO and FKs that were disc braked and used to be top’n’tailed by 27s. Think by the time of that photo there were 5 of the TSOs left. The FK didn’t have much longer in it, being replaced by a 2a Blue/Grey cousin from Old Oak - 13461 if memory serves? There could well be a 2f DBSO on the back of that set. Think by ‘87 or ‘88 the set was ‘broken up’ so to speak and the TSOs used to bolster the Aberdeen mk2 sets (2f DBSO, 2e FO, 2d TSO, 2d TSO, 2d TSOT, 2z TSO). Flood will know for sure. Cheers, Paul Thanks, the reason I discounted Mk2z was that as far as I knew the ones retained by ScotRail had all be repainted into ScotRail colours by 1986 (I may be wrong though), though I agree you can't see a brake vehicle which is presumably at the very back and may well be a DBSO. The 47/4 and mix of carriages is what mainly caught my eye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hexagon789 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bigP said: Hmm, good point, hadn’t thought about that. Perhaps, they are just some of ECs 2a TSO stock bundled together to form a set. Paul The caption suggests to me a service train, Aberdeen-bound, though doesn't specifically say it is passenger nor if it's ex-Glasgow or Edinburgh. As you say, I think we need someone with the right knowledge to figure it all out! Edited July 20, 2019 by hexagon789 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) Platform 5 9th Ed. (July 1986) has the following former p-p coaches in ScotRail livery: mk2z TSO: 5146, 5152, 5153, 5176, 5197 (all EC - there are 13 others listed but are b/g and either YC/HT/BN/NL) mk2z FK: 13424 (EC - 3 others in b/g still extant at HT/NL) also in ScotRail livery: mk2d TSOT: 6601, 6604,6613, 6614, 6619 (all EC, along with 6603 in b/g) mk2e FO: 3245, 3247, 3248, 3265 (all EC) mk2f FO: 3284, 3312 Edited July 20, 2019 by keefer add more info 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2019 forgot to say, there are other mk2z/2a TSOs listed for EC (and PC/IS) but these are all 'normal' coaches in b/g (i.e. not disc-braked p-p) 13424 is the only Scottish FK of any kind. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted July 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 04/06/2019 at 22:02, Smallwonder said: Ok, these are photos of photos, but if of interest I could scan these and more like them when I get my scanner fitted up. Mainly Edinburgh area in late 80s plus early 1990. The two shown are the Sunday petfood train resting at Millerhil before heading on to Glasgow. good photo - not just fro the petfood train! Look at what is lurking in the background! Very unusual to find photos of this train. Thanks Phil H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 hours ago, hexagon789 said: Hopefully it's okay to post this here, but I came across this photo of a 47/4 at Dundee (dated 1986), hauling an Aberdeen service with what to my eyes seems to be a rather unusual formation - appears to be a ScotRail liveried Mk2d TSOT, ScotRail liveried Mk2Z FK then a number of blue/grey pressure ventilated Mk2s (possibly Mk2A): (Photo copyright to Paul Smith flickr) Certainly looks like a scratch set to me, especially having the Mk2Z FK. In 1985 the ScotRail Mk2Z TSOs were used on the Dunblane morning rush hour working with a DBSO and without a first then, as has already been mentioned, two Mk2Z TSOs were used to bolster the two Edinburgh - Aberdeen Push-Pull sets from about 1986. Behind the two TSOs, I agree they are almost certainly Mk2A, seems to be a BSO. Perhaps no DBSO was available at all. All in all a very interesting train. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley47708 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Am really enjoying the Alan Harrison Collection on you tube. The latest video at Stratford in 1986 features a MK 2a FK or should say the Mk2a FK in Scotrail at the end of a rake and later in the video a ScotRail full brake behind an electric again as part of a rake of coaches. I've seen the FK in blue grey pre 1986 as part of the 1984 Jacobite service 477 Mk2a and DBSO between Edinburgh and Inverness but think it wasnt part of the rake in ScotRail livery that did Dunblane Edinburgh push pull rake by 1986. Perhaps no longer required it wondered the country looking for something to do! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6775 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just trawled through this thread looking for some info on the ScotRail BGs and its pretty much there. Some excellent photos and a valuable sauce of information! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 On 05/10/2019 at 07:00, Waverley47708 said: Am really enjoying the Alan Harrison Collection on you tube. The latest video at Stratford in 1986 features a MK 2a FK or should say the Mk2a FK in Scotrail at the end of a rake and later in the video a ScotRail full brake behind an electric again as part of a rake of coaches. I've seen the FK in blue grey pre 1986 as part of the 1984 Jacobite service 477 Mk2a and DBSO between Edinburgh and Inverness but think it wasnt part of the rake in ScotRail livery that did Dunblane Edinburgh push pull rake by 1986. Perhaps no longer required it wondered the country looking for something to do! I think it would be a Mk2z in ScotRail sector livery there. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallwonder Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Waverley July 89. Not great quality, but a modelable short train formation, failed HST a green visitor (47 628). Thought may be interest to Waverley West even if two are East enders. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Fascinating shots, Smallwonder. Thanks for posting! I've just renumbered my Bachmann 47628 to 47500. Wish I'd left it alone now! I could always change it back I guess. I'm sure 47500 must have visited Waverley in GW Green at some point though. I've seen a shot of 47628 on a Fife/Dundee service passing through Princes St Gardens before, but it was in blue at the time. Do you happen to know number of the 37 and the power car? Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Waverley West said: Fascinating shots, Smallwonder. Thanks for posting! I've just renumbered my Bachmann 47628 to 47500. Wish I'd left it alone now! I could always change it back I guess. I'm sure 47500 must have visited Waverley in GW Green at some point though. I've seen a shot of 47628 on a Fife/Dundee service passing through Princes St Gardens before, but it was in blue at the time. Do you happen to know number of the 37 and the power car? Cheers Dave I'm sure I've seen photos of 47500 at Glasgow Queen Street so I'd be surprised if it didn't get to Edinburgh at some point too Not sure of the 37, but it looks like a refurbished 37/4 and the nameplate across 2 lines so that must narrow it down a bit. No sign of an Eastfield dog so does that make it 37418? Edited November 27, 2019 by GordonC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Waverley West said: Fascinating shots, Smallwonder. Thanks for posting! I've just renumbered my Bachmann 47628 to 47500. Wish I'd left it alone now! I could always change it back I guess. I'm sure 47500 must have visited Waverley in GW Green at some point though. I've seen a shot of 47628 on a Fife/Dundee service passing through Princes St Gardens before, but it was in blue at the time. Do you happen to know number of the 37 and the power car? Cheers Dave How much do you care about accuracy? The Bachmann 47628 model has incorrect underframe detail (water tanks removed) for 47500. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 36 minutes ago, brushman47544 said: How much do you care about accuracy? The Bachmann 47628 model has incorrect underframe detail (water tanks removed) for 47500. I can't see any water tanks on here... http://class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0999002113000 Looking at the photo below, the underframe detail is close enough for me anyway... https://www.hattons.co.uk/483321/bachmann_branchline_31_660db_po_po_class_47_47628_sir_daniel_gooch_in_gwr_150_green_livery_limited_edition_pre_ow/stockdetail.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Waverley West said: I can't see any water tanks on here... http://class47.co.uk/c47_zoom_v3.php?img=0999002113000 Looking at the photo below, the underframe detail is close enough for me anyway... https://www.hattons.co.uk/483321/bachmann_branchline_31_660db_po_po_class_47_47628_sir_daniel_gooch_in_gwr_150_green_livery_limited_edition_pre_ow/stockdetail.aspx Sorry, you're quite right. 47500 still had its water tanks when named in BR Blue but had lost them by the time it went into GWR green. But I'm sure when I looked into renumbering mine there was something that didn't match up...and I'm not talking about the position of the ETH jumper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, brushman47544 said: Sorry, you're quite right. 47500 still had its water tanks when named in BR Blue but had lost them by the time it went into GWR green. But I'm sure when I looked into renumbering mine there was something that didn't match up...and I'm not talking about the position of the ETH jumper. It wouldn't surprise me if there was. 47s are an absolute minefield of variations. I tend not to worry too much about things like boiler port covers and the positioning of ETH jumpers (unless very obvious). It's mainly flush fronts and the general appearance of the battery boxes/water tanks that I look for. Life's too short as it is (and modelling time is even shorter)! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallwonder Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Ace detective Gordon C. It was 37 418, my only sighting of it according to my record which has the full story including ID of the power car - 43 056. Here's 37404 on the Royal Scotsman in July 89. ED 37s in large logo blue, intercity (mainline) and three tone grey all seen at Waverley with the Royal Scotsman that summer. As you can tell, I was familiar with Waverley in the late 80s and Waverley West's layout is beautiful in its own right, but also brilliantly captures the atmosphere of the real thing. Edited November 27, 2019 by Smallwonder Typo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallwonder Posted November 30, 2019 Share Posted November 30, 2019 37167. Millerhill. 9pm on 250589. Domestic coal service from the south. Headed for Gartcosh? And 26025. Same time and place. Headed north with just a couple of brake vans. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallwonder Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 08 881, 08 791 and 08 793. Millerhill 27 May 89. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southof1E top tmd Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 By then 27208 was quite a rare "tippie" on passenger and a rare turn for her on the late afternoon of August 1st 1983 saw her dragging a demic DMU on the Edinburgh - Glasgow Central via Shotts. NR 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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