Scottish Region photos 1980's

[Smallwonder]

Not much time today as hosting tomorrow.  These are the only two photos I have scanned that I haven't posted.  WIll need some free time with the scanner before I can add more.

Crane at Craigentinny 1988.

47??? at Waverley in late '88.  I haven't written its number on the photo (seem to have stopped doing that around this time), so will have to work my way through my record cards at some point to see what it was.  

 

Any guesses in the meantime?

 

Merry Christmas.

[65179]

47611 Thames

 

Simon

[Southof1E top tmd]

Deep and crisp and even at Lairg on January 27th 1985. 27055 has just arrived with 1K02 0805 Inverness - Lairg. We were hours late due awaiting connectioning papers at Inverness and the "tippie's" boiler had given up at Dingwall making the train a tad cold.!!

 

NR

[Smallwonder]

The next batch are from the first photos I took.  Old second hand camera, poor skills and poor light.  I have added only the best of them.  Many are just too blurred / dull / poor.

 

Firstly, what I think was the SPRS Santa specials in December 87 when it used to run round the Edinburgh suburban line, starting and finishing at Waverley.

Portobello Junction.  Shorter then, I seem to have struggled to see over the bridge.  I remember it being very cold that day.

 

Possibly by Peffermill.  Or possibly by Turner.

 

Departing Waverley.

 

The next two are at Glasgow Central on 20 Feb 88.  Probably taken on a trip to the Glasgow ModelRail exhibition.  There more recently, I caught the last train at night that serves Paisley.  I seemed to be in the singing carriage.

 

47658 at 0940.  Possibly on a Carlisle service via the G&SWR.

 

87030.  WCML bound.  In the summer of 1989, 87030 pulled the Nightrider service from Euston to Carstairs with my family and me on board.  We had seats It being much cheaper), but there was a lot to see at night in those days.

 

Waverley 27 Feb 88:

 

47651 about to head to EC with ECS.

 

47651 is back from EC to head an Aberdeen service.  If I'd gone over for a closer shot I would have missed the foreground filler tap and platform side cabling details that may interest others.  I think I probably couldn't face the walk round, rather than any fear of invading what I now know to be MillerhillBoy's patch and possible ejection by Brute force...

 

 

[Padishar Creel]

11 hours ago, Smallwonder said:

 

 

87030.  WCML bound.  In the summer of 1989, 87030 pulled the Nightrider service from Euston to Carstairs with my family and me on board.  We had seats It being much cheaper), but there was a lot to see at night in those days.

 

 

 

 

 

Hallo,

Can you remember what the Nightrider formation was? I have tried off and on over the years to find this out via the web but was not successful, maybe I'm just not searching correctly.

Thanks

es grüßt

pc

[Smallwonder]

1 hour ago, Padishar Creel said:

Hallo,

Can you remember what the Nightrider formation was? I have tried off and on over the years to find this out via the web but was not successful, maybe I'm just not searching correctly.

Thanks

es grüßt

pc

No, sorry.  Obviously not all sleeper carriages, but beyond that I can't say.

[Smallwonder]

On 24/12/2019 at 21:42, 65179 said:

47611 Thames

 

Simon

Yep.  Impressive. 18 August 1988 having brought in the 0851 arrival from Dundee.

[65179]

35 minutes ago, Smallwonder said:

Yep.  Impressive. 18 August 1988 having brought in the 0851 arrival from Dundee.

 

That Old Oak Common variant (I think?) of Intercity livery with the short name really cuts down the options. That and the fact that 1988 was right in the middle of my few years as a spotter so all sorts of silly details stick in my mind from that time as opposed to the important stuff I can never remember!

 

One night a few months later than that photo I was on a train pulled through New Street by 47613 North Star and passed both 47611 Thames and 47612 Titan in the station.

 

Simon

[tractor_37260]

On 20/12/2019 at 23:04, Smallwonder said:

25 June 88 - Bad news for some regular viewers; we're not headed back to Waverley just yet.  Still stopped opposite Inverness TMD while 47461 is removed.  Allows for some further shots:

 

47492 in Intercity Scotrail livery.  Love those doors.

 

A better angle on 37046 (IS) reveals 37416 (IS) behind.

 

 

L to R: 47481 (CD), just washed and fuelled, 47518 (IS).  We're about to resume our journey.

 

37261 (IS) now at the front as we head through Dingwall, near the Drouthy Duck pub which I distinctly remember seeing from the train.  I finally made it in there about twenty years later.

 

37261 by Loch Garve, 1310.

 

37415 (IS) at Garve headed for Inverness. 1315.  We saw it at Muir of Ord five hours later heading a service away from Inverness as we returned.  Still barely a splattered midge on it.

 

Avalanche shelter for rocks I believe, not snow.  Odd that rocks would need to shelter though. 

 

37260 at Kyle Of Lochalsh, 1530.  For all you coachfans my notes record it as being at the head of "Mk2Ds for Glasgow".  Skye behind.  And sky behind that.

 

37414 (IS) about to take to the front of our train to return us to Inverness.  Something makes me think that would not have been the coach we were in...

 

The end of the line.  Hopefully not for the daredevil wallwalker.

 

No photos from the return journey, but 47460 (IS) pulled us home from Inverness to Edinburgh which means we:

• were hauled by 47460 and 47461 and saw 47462 at IS as we passed at 1835 (no photo);
• were hauled by 37261 and saw 37260; and
• were hauled by 37414 and saw 37415, 37416 and 37417 (the last not photographed, but seen at Muir of Ord at 1235 with "the Highland Prince" headed for Inverness).

So those are my grouping period photos...

 

 

 

 

Super nostalgic photos.........the Drouthy Duck is actually in Conon Bridge.... close to Dingwall.....

[Smallwonder]

Today's batch.  Still the poorer quality older shots.  All at Waverley.

 

08755 (built 1961 Horwich) shunting the mail platforms 27 Feb 1988.

 

Mystery 43XXX leaving at the head of a blue grey rake on 27 Feb 88.

 

And the other end.  43XXX with an admirer above.  Not a spot I ever tried.

 

Winter grime on 47707 as it arrives on 27 Feb 88.

 

And the other end.

 

47578 at 1030 also on 27 Feb 88.  Looks as though I overestimated its rate of acceleration. 

[Smallwonder]

1 hour ago, tractor_37260 said:

 

Super nostalgic photos.........the Drouthy Duck is actually in Conon Bridge.... close to Dingwall.....

Good point.  Have just checked; it was the Mallard in Dingwall that I was in.  Looks as though it was named after the loco, but the duck connection obviously through me. 

[Ian Smeeton]

3 hours ago, Padishar Creel said:

Hallo,

Can you remember what the Nightrider formation was? I have tried off and on over the years to find this out via the web but was not successful, maybe I'm just not searching correctly.

Thanks

es grüßt

pc

 

I used the Night Rider service few times in `1984/5

 

I had lost my interest in trains at the time, but from memory, they were Mk 2D/e/f FO, declassified for 2nd class use. I think there would have been a Mk 1 BG at either end. I don't remember a buffet or trolley service, bujt there probably was one.

 

I hope that that helps.

 

Regards

 

Ian

[Padishar Creel]

22 hours ago, Ian Smeeton said:

 

I used the Night Rider service few times in `1984/5

 

I had lost my interest in trains at the time, but from memory, they were Mk 2D/e/f FO, declassified for 2nd class use. I think there would have been a Mk 1 BG at either end. I don't remember a buffet or trolley service, bujt there probably was one.

 

I hope that that helps.

 

Regards

 

Ian

Thank you Ian.

Michael Harris' book states MK2F FOs and there is even a photo of part of the train, however not much else to go on.

 

es grüßt 

pc

[keefer]

Can't find my Harris book, but was this the 'Stagecoach' liveried coaches?

I have found a service in the 1982-3 ScR carriage workings which was probably a forerunner of the 'Nightrider'?

1E44 - 23.40 (23.50 SO) Edinburgh-KX 

This was a combination of the 20.30 from Aberdeen and 22.25 from Glasgow QS.

Both trains BFK + 5FO with RBR added at Edinburgh: BFK 5FO RBR 5FO BFK

The only stipulation for stock is that both BFK are 'mk2 air-braked'.

All other southbound ECML trains are mk3 sleepers, apart from a mk1 vac-braked train which combines with sleepers at Leeds.

[Smallwonder]

Newer camera.

Waverley East end remodelling ongoing in 1988.

26023 on 4 August with a ballast train (turbots I think).

 

26023, same end (of the engine), different side.  By the time of this 8 August view it had turned round somewhere, but was still helping with the remodelling.  A train of cement mixers?  Views like this make me think someone somewhere must model Waverley East; look at that backdrop.  Add in parcels, motorail terminal, ECS to EC, HSTs, light engines to MH...

 

20206 and 20208 leave Millerhill at 1605 on 10 August 1988 on the line towards Bilston Glen.  Both had Eastfield Scottie/Westies The track in front of the lead loco looks a bit odd, but I think it's an optical illusion (but not of the scale of 08gate (in or out of the train); I have spent time over the holidays getting through some of Dave F's excellent photos on his thread).

 

Anyway, they made it past.  I never noticed before, but it looks as though the large shed on the left has a rail connection.  Anyone know what it is; part of the electrification depot?

 

 

Edited December 28, 2019 by Smallwonder
To add year.

[keefer]

"The track in front of the lead loco looks a bit odd"

 

initially it looks out of line but looking closer, could it be a broken rail? (height mismatch)

Edited December 29, 2019 by keefer

[Padishar Creel]

10 hours ago, keefer said:

Can't find my Harris book, but was this the 'Stagecoach' liveried coaches?

I have found a service in the 1982-3 ScR carriage workings which was probably a forerunner of the 'Nightrider'?

The coaches in the shot at Glasgow Central are Blue/Grey

es grüßt 

pc

[Smallwonder]

Waverley 1988

 

A pair of red buffer beams on 08755 and 47595 on 4 August.  I wonder how the buffer-stop ended up at that angle.

 

08730 and 47470 (a better shot than my previous one above) at 0910 on 16 August.

 

26005 with CE train on 4 August at 1203.

 

26003 at Millerhill South on 10 August at 1540.

[Flood]

On 27/12/2019 at 12:12, Padishar Creel said:

Hallo,

Can you remember what the Nightrider formation was? I have tried off and on over the years to find this out via the web but was not successful, maybe I'm just not searching correctly.

Thanks

es grüßt

pc

There was a Modern Railways article on the new Euston based sleeper services in 1988 (around July, the one with Dawlish seawall on the cover). I found it again at the local Railway Club tonight and took a couple of photos showing the rake formations and the notes for these.

 

 

Hope they are of use. I don't know how long these formations lasted for.

[Smallwonder]

Waverley 1988 again, but including something highly unexpected.  At least it was to me .

 

Firstly though, 47593 (Galloway Princess), a loco that seemed to always turn up.  Behind 47004, this was my favourite 47.  With 47461 (CRM) completing the top three.  I'd make an educated comment about the InterCity Buffet, but I can't.  Headed for EC on 12 August 88 at 2000.

 

 

08730 shunting Royal Scotsman on the morning of 16 August 1988.

 

 

An unexpected visitor, 37356 Grainflow on 20 August 88 at noon before heading LE west.  Why Graham Farish chose this for a model (as 37068) with its extra plaque above the nameplate which makes renumbering even more difficult is a mystery to me.  Similarly the choice of Herbert Austin for a 47 with its additional plaque. 

 

 

47665 on the same day.  My notes say "Blue patch over Scottie".  Looks as though it's about to depart.

 

And our very unexpected guest. 45106 on a railtour that I knew nothing about.   And pulling NSE stock as it arrives on 20 August 88 around 1430.

 

 

 

Happy New Year when it comes.

 

[keefer]

Re: the buffet coach behind 47593 - the presence of bright red in the vestibule (and wooden panelling in the saloon) would suggest a mk2d, which would make it either a TSOT or RMBT.

The P5 1988 book (to 4/11/88) has, in InterCity livery:

TSOT 6600/9/16/17 (InterCity West Coast pool), 6608 (InterCity East Coast pool)

RMBT 6652/6061/62/65 (InterCity West Coast pool)

I'm not sure if the IC TSOTs gained the additional 'Buffet' bodyside branding, but I think the RMBTs did.

 

47665 would be an Aberdeen or Inverness service. I don't know which is more likely to have a non-a/c mk2 BFK

[Waverley47708]

10 hours ago, Smallwonder said:

Waverley 1988 again, but including something highly unexpected.  

 

 

An unexpected visitor, 37356 Grainflow on 20 August 88 at noon before heading LE west....

 

10 hours ago, Smallwonder said:

 

 

Happy New Year when it comes.

 

 

Happy New Year and thanks for  posting your photos they are really appreciated.

 

I spent many happy Saturdays at Waverley in the mid 80s, 85 to 87 or even 88.  Never saw anything as exotic as a green Peak though.

 

The Red Stripe 37 is sitting in the loco holding siding between Plt 16 and 17.  When I was there that was used by locos about to take the next Dundee service North from Waverley.  

 

Glad to see this topic has been resurrected again.

Edited January 1, 2020 by Waverley47708

[hexagon789]

8 hours ago, keefer said:

47665 would be an Aberdeen or Inverness service. I don't know which is more likely to have a non-a/c mk2 BFK

 

Not certain of course but I would suggest an Inverness working. Theh second vehicle could be the Mk2d TSOT allocated to Inverness (looks like a short red stripe on the coach) and also the Inverness rakes, going from many photos, appear to have in the later 1980s a BFK for First Class nearly as frequently as one of the Mk2c CK conversions.

Edited January 1, 2020 by hexagon789

[young37215]

 

2 hours ago, Waverley47708 said:

The Red Stripe 37 is sitting in the loco holding siding between Plt 16 and 17.  When I was there that was used by locos about to take the next Dundee service North from Waverley.  

 

Whilst I share tour view on the holding road, I thought the Dundee's had gone over to Sprinter by 1988? I think 37356 was waiting to take out the Royal Scotsman because there is a picture of it hauling said train in Scottish Class 37's Vol 2 on page 53. Oh for someone to produce the Scotsman coaches, I would love to be able to run it on my layout.

 

[Waverley47708]

50 minutes ago, young37215 said:

 

 

Whilst I share tour view on the holding road, I thought the Dundee's had gone over to Sprinter by 1988? I think 37356 was waiting to take out the Royal Scotsman because there is a picture of it hauling said train in Scottish Class 37's Vol 2 on page 53. Oh for someone to produce the Scotsman coaches, I would love to be able to run it on my layout.

 

 

You may well be right, it was the arrival of Sprinters that hastened my departure.  I lost interest in going to Waverley once 158s had replaced the 477s.