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13 hours ago, Waverley47708 said:

 

I spent many happy Saturdays at Waverley in the mid 80s, 85 to 87 or even 88.  Never saw anything as exotic as a green Peak though.

Green peak would definitely be regarded as rare, think the green 40 was in once or twice. The GWR green 47s I missed although obviously we've seen evidence of their visits.

 

Rarest thing I ever saw in that era was a 31 at the west end side. Came out from the sub platforms, sat in front where the 08 would normally stable and then headed back east again. 

 

T'was a 31/4 if I recall

 

Dont suppose 31s were entirely rare at Waverley but in all my visits to Waverley, time spent at Millerhill and time spent spotting at Monktonhall junction I didnt see another one in that era.

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11 hours ago, millerhillboy said:

Rarest thing I ever saw in that era was a 31 at the west end side. Came out from the sub platforms, sat in front where the 08 would normally stable and then headed back east again. 

 

T'was a 31/4 if I recall

 

Dont suppose 31s were entirely rare at Waverley but in all my visits to Waverley, time spent at Millerhill and time spent spotting at Monktonhall junction I didnt see another one in that era.

 

I've seen a shot of one parked at Haymarket (in the late 70s I think) and I've also seen a shot of one on a Newcastle - Edinburgh stopping service formed of Mk 1s (early 80s I think), which used to throw up all manner of classes, including 31s, 40s, Peaks and 47s (25s too maybe?).

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7 minutes ago, Waverley West said:

 

I've seen a shot of one parked at Haymarket (in the late 70s I think) and I've also seen a shot of one on a Newcastle - Edinburgh stopping service formed of Mk 1s (early 80s I think), which used to throw up all manner of classes, including 31s, 40s, Peaks and 47s (25s too maybe?).

 

Late 70's, early 80's 1710 Edinburgh Newcastle loaded 3 or 4 Mk1's and occassionally produced type 2 traction. I am not sure what, if any, return working was. 31162 18/7/78 can be seen on page 15 of BR North of the border. The same book shows several Peaks on London bound services from Edinburgh and Dundee.    

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2 hours ago, Waverley West said:

 

I've seen a shot of one parked at Haymarket (in the late 70s I think) and I've also seen a shot of one on a Newcastle - Edinburgh stopping service formed of Mk 1s (early 80s I think), which used to throw up all manner of classes, including 31s, 40s, Peaks and 47s (25s too maybe?).

 

Perusing through the web I found this picture by "Lewis Bevan" and some of the comments gives an insight why Gateshead Depot utilised them ocassionally....

 

Prior to 1978, a visit of a class 31 to Edinburgh was very rare, but became quite a regular occurance from then on.
They regularly appeared on the stopping trains from Newcastle or relief trains from the ECML. I think Gateshead favoured using them because they could not be used by Haymarket for any other duty apart from the planned return working with a Gatehead driver as ScR drivers weren't trained on them, thereby guaranteeing fhe safe return of their loco!

 

Class 31 in Scotland

 

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On 02/01/2020 at 10:16, Waverley West said:

 

I've seen a shot of one parked at Haymarket (in the late 70s I think) and I've also seen a shot of one on a Newcastle - Edinburgh stopping service formed of Mk 1s (early 80s I think), which used to throw up all manner of classes, including 31s, 40s, Peaks and 47s (25s too maybe?).

 

58016 made it to Haymarket for the depot open day in August 1985, but presumably arrived light engine.

 

In the summer of 1990 a number of 56s migrated up to Millerhill to take over coal traffic.  As far as I am aware though, 56s were rare beasts in Scotland in the 80s.  Therefore I was delighted with the extra Christmas present that emerged from under the Edinburgh city bypass on 28 December 1988 headed for Millerhill:

 

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Arriving at 1053 on the link from Monktonhall Junction at 1053, 56112 with the Blyth to Fort William Alcan train (6S56).

 

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Heading into the yard.

 

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Fleeing the cold north.  Departing only minutes later at 1110, 56112 is about to join the ECML south at Monktonhall junction with the Alcan empties on the 6E46.

 

It's not a working I often saw.  I think it was usually a Scottish 37 that pulled it, but would be interested to know if anyone knows otherwise.

 

I never saw a 31 north of the border though, but from the entries above they obviously made it.

 

 

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On 28/12/2019 at 23:52, Smallwonder said:

A train of cement mixers?

Looks like an electrification works train to me - mixers to supply mast bases and those converted coaches (some had flat roofs for working at height on the wires)?

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On 02/01/2020 at 11:30, young37215 said:

 

Late 70's, early 80's 1710 Edinburgh Newcastle loaded 3 or 4 Mk1's and occassionally produced type 2 traction. I am not sure what, if any, return working was. 31162 18/7/78 can be seen on page 15 of BR North of the border.


I may be completely mistaken, but wasn’t there a Kings Cross to Newcastle overnight at that time, 3 or 4 seating coaches of which were detached and went forward to Edinburgh as a stopper at around 07.00?

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Great pictures of Millerhill again, and particularly Monktonhall junction. Always a buzz to see them.

 

Again in line with what was said above I never saw a 56 in that mid-lates era. Although I'd gave up spotting about possibly 88-89 at a guess, due to being 15/16 years old and having erm other interests shall we say.

However I did continue to be a member of Monktonhall golf club which is disected by the ECML and in fact Monktonhall junction effectively joins parallel with the 8th hole there so I very much did see but didn't note down the arrival of the 56s.

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8 minutes ago, millerhillboy said:

Again in line with what was said above I never saw a 56 in that mid-lates era. Although I'd gave up spotting about possibly 88-89 at a guess, due to being 15/16 years old and having erm other interests shall we say.

 

 

I've seen footage on one of my DVDs of a Coal Sector-liveried 56 crossing the Forth Bridge with an MGR service. Can't remember which DVD unfortunately, but I distinctly remember it as it gave me licence to run a Coal Sector 56 on WW. Don't know just how rare they were, but they certainly weren't common.

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These pictures were taken on my first visit to Scotland after acquiring a camera in 1987. Although not a DMU fan at all, I somehow had the presence of mind to snap these two examples. Perhaps it was because I'd never seen these types before. With the second picture I excelled myself and even made a note of the vehicle numbers. 

 

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Class 104 DMU Set 457 Edinburgh 26/5/87

 

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Class 120 DMU 53654+59264+53700 Edinburgh 26/5/87

 

This is the only picture I have ever had published (rarity value perhaps, rather than image quality). It appeared in a spotters book published by (I think) Platform 5; there was a loco book, a DMU/EMU book and a coach book listing all the vehicles in existence for underlining purposes. It earned me £7. As you can imagine, my life was never the same again...

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Not sure a) how well thie will come out b) if this is strictly a scottish region photo and c) how much interest there is the disorganised scribblings of a 13 year old!!

 

Visit to Waverley 15/9/86

 

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Plenty more pages in the books over a few years including trips to glasgow, invermess, carlisle and newcastle in the same era if theres any value.

Countless visits to Millerhill, Craigentinny and Monktonhall jn as well.

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14 hours ago, Western Aviator said:

These pictures were taken on my first visit to Scotland after acquiring a camera in 1987. Although not a DMU fan at all, I somehow had the presence of mind to snap these two examples. Perhaps it was because I'd never seen these types before. With the second picture I excelled myself and even made a note of the vehicle numbers. 

 

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Class 104 DMU Set 457 Edinburgh 26/5/87

 

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Class 120 DMU 53654+59264+53700 Edinburgh 26/5/87

 

This is the only picture I have ever had published (rarity value perhaps, rather than image quality). It appeared in a spotters book published by (I think) Platform 5; there was a loco book, a DMU/EMU book and a coach book listing all the vehicles in existence for underlining purposes. It earned me £7. As you can imagine, my life was never the same again...

 

Remember both classes if DMU at Waverley in the mid 80s.  For the last decade I have been hoping Hornby or Bachmann would do them, especially a 3 car blue 104.  Maybe this decade they will be announced and maybe they'll arrive somtime next decade.

 

The all blue was like the Strathclyde livery 107s and 101s a wee change from the more common blue grey on 101s which made up the bulk of the DMU services at that time.

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15 hours ago, Waverley West said:

 

I've seen footage on one of my DVDs of a Coal Sector-liveried 56 crossing the Forth Bridge with an MGR service. Can't remember which DVD unfortunately, but I distinctly remember it as it gave me licence to run a Coal Sector 56 on WW. Don't know just how rare they were, but they certainly weren't common.

 

I am sure I have the DVD, whether it is the Railfreight Today one or a general Rails Around Scotland I cant recall at the moment.

 

Up to the late 80s all I remember seeing was pairs of 20s on the MGRs through Dunfermline going to and from Longannet. I do remember seeing sub sector 37s (single Class 37 on an MGR) possibly around 1990.  I am not sure if I saw 56s myself or have only seen video or photos.  I think I did see them but this was after the 37s had a go.  I had always considered 56s as an English loco and found it unusual to see them on the line to Longannet.  If my memory serves me correctly and if the video info is correct,  it was something to do with coal coming up from England.

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11 hours ago, millerhillboy said:

Not sure a) how well thie will come out b) if this is strictly a scottish region photo and c) how much interest there is the disorganised scribblings of a 13 year old!!

 

Visit to Waverley 15/9/86

 

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Plenty more pages in the books over a few years including trips to glasgow, invermess, carlisle and newcastle in the same era if theres any value.

Countless visits to Millerhill, Craigentinny and Monktonhall jn as well.

I have similar records etc. Why not start a separate thread with a link from this one? Someone else seemed to have scannable notes too.

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31466 worked an 08:00 service from Newcastle to Edinburgh on Saturday 2nd November 1985. I have this down as 1S14.

 

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I took 47703 on the 1O17 10:30 Edinburgh to Glasgow Queen Street train where 37408 was on the terminated 1T12 08:00 Ex-Oban.

 

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Followed by 87032 on 1M34 13:05 Glasgow Central to London Euston as far as Carlisle Citadel for class 101 53179 back to Newcastle.

There's gaps in the slide numbers so there are others, don't know where they are though.

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On 03/01/2020 at 16:57, Waverley West said:

 

I've seen footage on one of my DVDs of a Coal Sector-liveried 56 crossing the Forth Bridge with an MGR service. Can't remember which DVD unfortunately, but I distinctly remember it as it gave me licence to run a Coal Sector 56 on WW. Don't know just how rare they were, but they certainly weren't common.

 

The introduction of 56s to the East of Scotland just missed the 1980s by about six months, I had a tip off that they had started working coal into Millerhill and visited the yard on 16th June 1990 and found 56029, 56074 and 56081 present, from then until they were withdrawn they were very common.

 

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On 02/01/2020 at 10:30, young37215 said:

 

Late 70's, early 80's 1710 Edinburgh Newcastle loaded 3 or 4 Mk1's and occassionally produced type 2 traction. I am not sure what, if any, return working was. 31162 18/7/78 can be seen on page 15 of BR North of the border. The same book shows several Peaks on London bound services from Edinburgh and Dundee.    

 

IIRC in the same time period there was also a 1415 or thereabouts Edinburgh-Newcastle stopper, which I sometimes used because it was a very quiet (in terms of passenger numbers) train, and more importantly was often 31, or sometimes 46, hauled.

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On 05/01/2020 at 18:30, caradoc said:

 

IIRC in the same time period there was also a 1415 or thereabouts Edinburgh-Newcastle stopper, which I sometimes used because it was a very quiet (in terms of passenger numbers) train, and more importantly was often 31, or sometimes 46, hauled.

In the David Cross book 'Scottish Diesels' the author notes 1E83 14:15 Edinburgh Newcastle stopper hauled by Deltics, 47s, 46s, 40s, 25s, and 37s

 

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I think we've probably had this video of jbg06003's before, but after seeing Western Aviator's post above, I'll post it again.

Cl.120s appear in full unit (complete with ex-buffet trailer) and ScR lash-up formation.

Of course, some of the 120s were long-time Scottish units when they were on the Aberdeen-Inverness trains, but I'm not sure how common they were in more central areas before the '80s.

 

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I was curious about the location in some of the pictures posted and It seems that it's the former Cameron Bridge station on the Methil Branch which looks like it would make an interesting model especially as there seems to a whisky distillery??? nearby? But this picture is particularly interesting because of the grain wagon with SGD on the side. Does anyone know anything about it?

 

A Grice of Fife Cameron Bridge 1987 Cameron Bridge Apr92 s735

 

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Call off the search I've just found a better picture of it that gives details about it.

 

"This batch of unfitted Covered Grain Hoppers operated by SGD of Windygates, Fife carried local numbers 6 to 48. The last two digits corresponded with their private owner 79xx allocated numbers but only five were thought to have lasted long enough to carry TOPS private owner yellow plate numbers. Those being SGD 7906/18/26/46/48."

 

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31 ton Covered Grain Hopper Wagon. by Adrian Nicholls, on Flickr

 

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yep, that's Cameron Bridge station (the village is Windygates) - still there, now owned by Diageo although I don't think there's any rail traffic now.

I have two low-quality pics taken at the KFRPS site at (the remains of) Kirkland Yard in 2010 - unfortunately I can't remember which numbers they were (26 & 42 perhaps?). I went to their open day but my camera's batteries ran out, so I only had a Nokia mobile phone as a back-up!

 

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5 hours ago, acg5324 said:

My 5th regional BR book, The Scottish Region in the 1970s and 80s, will be published in mid March. The link is to a few photos from the book.

 

Ooooh.  I have one of those when they are available please!!  

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