Scottish Region photos 1980's

[Smallwonder]

Back to the 80s and Waverley.  Not good quality, but I'll continue to add them on the basis that they are better than nothing.  If you look closely enough at the first three they're not all the same.  Unfortunately, I didn't record which services these were.

 

47610 (later 47823) departs on 17 September 1988.

 

Recently named (see above) 47283 leaves at 1035 on the same morning.

 

And later, 47231 departs

 

Finally something arriving that morning; 47643.

 

Early evening 18 September 1988; 47596 departs past 26046. 

 

43073 catches the sun at 1810 on 18 September 1988. 43114 at the other end.

 

[Waverley West]

12 hours ago, Smallwonder said:

Back to the 80s and Waverley.  Not good quality, but I'll continue to add them on the basis that they are better than nothing.  If you look closely enough at the first three they're not all the same.  Unfortunately, I didn't record which services these were.

 

 

Don't you worry about quality, SW. Absolutely fascinating photos. As long as I can tell roughly what's going on, that's good enough for me!

 

A Railfreight Distribution 47/0 on a push-pull rake? Now there's a combination I haven't run yet. 

[Rivercider]

1 hour ago, Waverley West said:

 

Don't you worry about quality, SW. Absolutely fascinating photos. As long as I can tell roughly what's going on, that's good enough for me!

 

A Railfreight Distribution 47/0 on a push-pull rake? Now there's a combination I haven't run yet. 

Agreed.

I like to see photos like these, especially with a date, loco numbers and location.

Often there is also real interest in things in the background of the shot, the railway 'furniture' has changed a lot since then in many places. I know when looking through my old photos I see something I was not aware of at the time.

 

cheers

[Rivercider]

On 12/11/2020 at 20:49, Smallwonder said:

Open day at Kilmarnock in the old goods yard, next to the Andrew Barclay's works on 11 September 1988.  My grandad was a signalman in Kilmarnock for years.

 

 

47283 with an appropriately black label newly revealed a few minutes beforehand.  I think the Walker's bottling plant in Kilmarnock was still rail-served at that point - I remember seeing ferrywagons there when visiting relatives.  There are some ferrywagons in the background of the third photo.

Interesting photos, thanks for sharing.

 

Yes there was still export traffic from Kilmarnock at that date,

 

cheers

[Smallwonder]

 

 

Another freight engine on passenger duty at Waverley, this time its 37070 on  17 September 1988; almost certainly bound for Carstairs with a service headed further south.

 

37185 departs Millerhill towards the ECML at 1623 on 29 September 1988 with the 4M77 service of empty car transporters, the first of which is a Cartic.  I cycled here after school.  On my racer.  I kept my red grifter for my paper round.  Not sure what happened to 37185 but my racer made it into preservation.  It's mounted on my turbo trainer.  

 

Back to Motherwell on 8 October at 4.30pm for these shots; fairly overcast again.  Presumably Motherwell depot adopted a salmon logo because it was so wet.

37051

 

37325 (37108), 37326 (37111), crane and a bit of 08581.

 

The rest of 08581(salmon) plus 08851 (Westie) and 08732 (Castle).

 

27018 awaits its fate in the yard beside the shed at Motherwell on the same day.

[Smallwonder]

I can highly recommend this video which I stumbled across as having recently been uploaded on YouTube.  I had great fun spotting a few old favourites as they made appearances.  The same person has uploaded a few videos from that period, mostly from South of the border.  

 

 

[Smallwonder]

 

Waverley 10 December 1988.  Yet more freight traction; 26003 heads the 1C66, 1203 departure to Euston (as far as Carstairs).

 

Craigentinny 21 Jan 1989 at 1420.  47534 on a visit north with a rugby special.  For the record Scotland beat Wales 23-7.

 

Back to Waverley:

 

14 January 1989.  47703 prepares to depart with the 10am to Glasgow QS.

 

47617 on 6 February 1989 with the 1245 to Aberdeen.  Black cab surrounds extend back to door.

 

47470 on the same day with the 1314 to Manchester.  Tiny number somewhere.

 

[keefer]

47703 on the 'wrong' end of the p-p.

it often happened, for a number of reasons, but the SecApp instruction was for the DBSO to be on the Glasgow end (so that it was trailing when leaving QS up the hill to Cowlairs, having the guard travel in the last vehicle in case of stalling/slipping back).

The instruction would be for the set to be turned 'as soon as practicable' - presumably via Cowlairs or Winchburgh/Dalmeny triangles.

[Strathyre]

when the 47s were initially introduced, if a set was wrong-turned with the loco at the Glasgow end the instruction was for the set to have an engine put on the front end to pilot it up the hill to Cowlairs. It took them couple years to trust the 47 pushing up the incline. Sometimes happened on a Sunday when the E&G was shut.

 

Also, when the 47s initially arrived they could only have one tail light on at a time. Until they altered the switches in the cabs to activate both tail lights an oil lamp had  to go on the back of the propelling engine as, for some reason lost in time, the push-pulls had to have two tail lights.

 

Paul

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[caradoc]

15 hours ago, keefer said:

it often happened, for a number of reasons, but the SecApp instruction was for the DBSO to be on the Glasgow end (so that it was trailing when leaving QS up the hill to Cowlairs, having the guard travel in the last vehicle in case of stalling/slipping back).

The instruction would be for the set to be turned 'as soon as practicable' - presumably via Cowlairs or Winchburgh/Dalmeny triangles.

 

The most usual reason for a set being wrong turned was having been diverted via Dalmeny for some reason, either planned or unplanned. In Glasgow Control we kept a record of such sets, the main reason being that in the event of a failure a DBSO could not be coupled to another DBSO. 

 

[keefer]

This thread's been quiet for a while but I thought this was worth posting.

Certainly wasn't previously aware of this happening - if you have a 47/7+mk3 p-p rake but fancy adding a mk1 RMB for a bit of interest.....

 

(c) Jim Ramsay on Flickr

Part of a cracking set of ScR slides from late-'70s-'85, including a rare few of workings into the Metal Box factory at Elliot (Arbroath)

[D6775]

3 minutes ago, keefer said:

This thread's been quiet for a while but I thought this was worth posting.

Certainly wasn't previously aware of this happening - if you have a 47/7+mk3 p-p rake but fancy adding a mk1 RMB for a bit of interest.....

 

There is probably a picture somewhere in this thread but a while back I was surprised to see some film of a Shove set with a MK3 sleeper in the formation

[keefer]

Just looking through the aforementioned Flickr set, this one's even better!

47712 in LL but next to the DBSO and the mk1 RMB on the far end - i'm thinking a p-p problem but would the RMB necessarily be a cause of that? As the system used meant that, technically, any coach could be inserted.

(c) Jim Ramsay on Flickr

[keefer]

4 minutes ago, D6775 said:

 

There is probably a picture somewhere in this thread but a while back I was surprised to see some film of a Shove set with a MK3 sleeper in the formation

It has been mentioned further back - it was a GlasQS-Abdn sleeper service, the sleeper coach worked back during the day, as you say, in a Abdn-GQS p-p

[Smallwonder]

4 Feb 1989 - ECML engineering works mean diversions through Millerhill:

 

 

 

 

 

47604 Millerhill - undated, but 1989.

 

37029 leaves Millerhill heading North on 6 Feb 1989 at 1500 (with the 4O38?).

Same train about to pass under a competitor on the A1.

[hexagon789]

19 hours ago, keefer said:

This thread's been quiet for a while but I thought this was worth posting.

Certainly wasn't previously aware of this happening - if you have a 47/7+mk3 p-p rake but fancy adding a mk1 RMB for a bit of interest.....

 

(c) Jim Ramsay on Flickr

Part of a cracking set of ScR slides from late-'70s-'85, including a rare few of workings into the Metal Box factory at Elliot (Arbroath)

I'm sure Bruce Galloway has at least one shot like this in his flickr collection.

 

It appears that Mk1 RMB were used when Mk3 sets first started running to Aberdeen and then after the Mk2D TSOT were converted these were used instead.

 

I believe the carriage marshalling lists an RMB as part of the Aberdeen workings in the first year but I may be mistaken.

[keefer]

That makes sense, the comments on the first Flickr image mention that it wasn't unusual at the time (i.e. It was planned)

Of course, the Edin-Abd l/h trains always had an RMB anyway so it was probably those that were used.

[luckymucklebackit]

22 hours ago, Smallwonder said:

4 Feb 1989 - ECML engineering works mean diversions through Millerhill:

 

 

 

 

 

47604 Millerhill - undated, but 1989.

 

37029 leaves Millerhill heading North on 6 Feb 1989 at 1500 (with the 4O38?).

Same train about to pass under a competitor on the A1.

 

Very surprised to see those ones of the diversion.  I was told that passenger workings were not permitted through Millerhil Yard as the points at the south end were all manually operated.  There must have been special arrangements in place with the yard effectively closed to all but one route and the points locked and scotched.

 

Jim

[Smallwonder]

Five shots from Millerhill:

 

47209 heads for the EMCL on at 1540 on 6 Feb 1989 with the 4M77.  A few minutes later 47004 entered the yard from the North with cement empties, but the photo is even worse than this one. Today's fact:  I never saw a loaded car train at Millerhill.  Only empties headed north and south.  

 

12 Feb 1989 distant line up of 47311 (unusually in with the tankers; usually the 08s were kept in there), 47285 (in "old" Railfreight grey), 47052, 08791 and 26005 (in its relatively freshly applied triple grey livery) at 1420.

 

26002 in the headshunt, still in old railfreight livery with castle on 12 Feb 1989.

 

08761 exits north at 1430 on 12 Feb 1989.

 

26001, 37272 (formerly 37304, and apparently with a black headcode box at its number 2 end and yellow at number 1) and 26??? on 18 Feb 1989.

 

In a brief dry spell at Motherwell; 37201 on Sunday 5 March 1989. Not sure who the recipient of the broken nose on the left was.  The Fiesta looks in better shape.

[Smallwonder]

 

Millerhill 11 March 1989 - around 1420

5 x 26s in the Chute part 1 - l to r in old Railfreight - 26025, 26006 and 26035, with subtle variations.

 

5 x 26s in the Chute part 2 - 26004 and 26005, with 08791

 

47470 has the honour of the headshunt.

 

Now  Millerhill on 19 March 1989 - late afternoon

A presumably recently named 47588 brings the petfood North (6Z93). 08791 and 47633 behind.

 

08793, 47649, a manky 47213 and 26031.

 

26046.

 

Ayr MPD on 27 March 1989 - 37165, during its brief time as 37374, - oh for a zoom lens.

[Smallwonder]

Easier to spot the trains in these ones.  A batch from Thursday 30 March 1989:

 

 

20213 at Portobello Wheel Lathe at 1415.  We were allowed in that afternoon and told all about it.  A DBSO can just be seen inside.  It was always worth popping by here on the way from Craigentinny to Millerhill.

 

And from the other end.

 

37162 exits Millerhill for the ECML at 1445 with coal container empties (6E34).  I spotted this loco 8 times at MH throughout 1989.  My notes mention it having a black "SCN" sticker on it which I think stood for Strategic Coal Network, but two of other time I saw 37162 it was on engineering duties; the other times it was stabled.  

 

And from the other end.

 

20138 leaves MH northbound at 1500, passing 08570.  20138 was back on shed the next day.

 

26024 arrives at Millerhill from the North at 1510 with some fresh ballast.  Quite a modellable formation - only 8 wagons.

 

And from the other end.

[millerhillboy]

Goes without saying but thoroughly enjoying these pictures. Thanks for posting.

[Smallwonder]

Last ones from this set of scans.  All Millerhill.

 

31 March 1989

 

20213 had just arrived on shed, having been shunting in the yard, and had been soon followed from the yard by 37353. According to my notes I had seen 37353 three days earlier when it passed through Prestwick on the R05 which I presume was a local trip working.   37521 then arrived from the ECML light engine with 47378 which I presume is obscured by 20138 and the 26.  Unusual to see two 20s on shed at by then.  A 37/5 was also a rarity at Millerhill then; for me anyway.

 

47290 arrives at 1540 with empty car carriers enters from the north (probably Bathgate or Leith).

 

Now 2 April 1989 and 37059 is stabled in the chute with 37009 at 1630.  Fourth time I had spotted 059 at Millerhill in two months.

 

37009 

 

On the same day; 08570 with 20138 still hanging around.

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[Smallwonder]

15 June 1989: 37260 Radio Highland at Millerhill at 2030.  Withdrawn just over two months later.

 

18 June 1989: 37373 at Millerhill at 1700.  15 minutes later it headed north light engine.  That's a while salmon logo on its no.2 end cabside.

 

18 June 1989: 47371 arriving from the south at 1715 with the 6Z93 petfood bound for Glasgow.  Held in the loops at Millerhill .  The "71" in its number was black in outline only.  In September 1988 I spotted this one at the head of the Royal Scotsman at Waverley.

 

An injured 37175 keeps company with 37167 at Millerhill on 18 June 1989. 37175 seemed to stay in the area for a few weeks around that time. It still had a boarded windscreen a month later.  37167 seemed to be a regular visitor to Millerhill in 1989, presumably bringing speedlink coal services north (see previous photos).  I also spotted it at Oxford in July that year.

 

 

[Smallwonder]

Niddrie North Junction - passing the site of a line that used to link the suburban line directly to the ECML before the route via Millerhill.  On 20 June 1989  at 1925 47569 approaches Waverley the long way round having been diverted round the suburban line.

 

Millerhill at 2030 the following day, 21 June 1989.  47572 stabled.  47569 is the loco on the left with the strange cabside logo.  Apparently the description of it is in my "Notebook 3" which isn't immediately to hand.

 

The other occupants of the Chute on the same evening.  L to R -unknown, 47644, 47643, 47569, 47572.

 

On 27 May 1989 the sun shines at Millerhill on 37013 and 26001.  I spotted 26001 on 65 occasions from December 1987 to July 1990.  On all but one occasion at was on shed at Millerhill.  The one exception was on 26 July 1988 when it was at Waverly pulling the 1203 to Euston (as far as Carstairs) whilst still in original Railfreight livery..

 

Evening sun at Millerhill on 28 June 1989: 26006 and 37175 at 2100.