Scottish Region photos 1980's

[young37215]

It has been posted before but it is still first class material for the BR blue era and well worth a second (and many more) viewing. 

[Padishar Creel]

Hallo,

I've devoured clips in YouTube for this period, and this is the first time I've seen a MK2 FO aircon (D?) in a BR Blue era pushpull from Edinburgh (at 33mins).  Always thought they came later and on other routes 

es grüßt

pc

[Flood]

57 minutes ago, Padishar Creel said:

Hallo,

I've devoured clips in YouTube for this period, and this is the first time I've seen a MK2 FO aircon (D?) in a BR Blue era pushpull from Edinburgh (at 33mins).  Always thought they came later and on other routes 

es grüßt

pc

Mk2f 3284. It was reallocated in 1981 to be the spare vehicle for the Mk3a FO stock.

[hexagon789]

14 hours ago, Flood said:

Mk2f 3284. It was reallocated in 1981 to be the spare vehicle for the Mk3a FO stock.

 

So it was a spare FO then? I ask as pre-Aberdeen Mk2 sets becoming push-pull, it invariably seems to have been used - declassified - in lieu of a TSO in Mk3 sets, or was that purely an operational necessity rather than the intention?

[Legend]

Excellent film. I may have seen it before , but certainly worth seeing again . So evocative of the time. Many thanks for posting

[Padishar Creel]

20 hours ago, Flood said:

Mk2f 3284. It was reallocated in 1981 to be the spare vehicle for the Mk3a FO stock.

When I wrote my post, in the back of my mind was 'I know who will be able to help, I hope he does'.

 

So thank you so much, you really are such an amazing source of information

 

es grüßt 

pc

[Flood]

6 hours ago, hexagon789 said:

 

So it was a spare FO then? I ask as pre-Aberdeen Mk2 sets becoming push-pull, it invariably seems to have been used - declassified - in lieu of a TSO in Mk3 sets, or was that purely an operational necessity rather than the intention?

To be honest I can only go by the allocation books at the time. I'm sure Bob Reid knows considerably more about it and I've just happened to find this post:

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69220-Bachmann-announce-mk2fs/&do=findComment&comment=3562289

 

[steve1]

On 08/12/2019 at 16:57, Smallwonder said:

Waverley 21 Aug 89

47562 on the 1040 to Brighton.  Snowploughs in August.  Tail-lamp ready to be attached once loco runs round.

47805 (formerly 47650) on the 0945 "Orcadian" which arrived from the West before heading onto the ECML for London.

Niddrie South Junction 10 Sept 89

37403 tows 47210 from Millerhill towards the sub.

 

Great prototype for not getting your fencing straight too...

 

steve

[hexagon789]

4 hours ago, Flood said:

To be honest I can only go by the allocation books at the time. I'm sure Bob Reid knows considerably more about it and I've just happened to find this post:

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/69220-Bachmann-announce-mk2fs/&do=findComment&comment=3562289

 

 

Cheers Flood, I think the info in that link does a good job of explaining it.

[hexagon789]

On 15/12/2019 at 16:10, ColinK said:

I’m not sure if I’ve posted this before, hope you enjoy it.

 

 

 

I've been watching your excellent, and to someone who wasn't around in the era very interesting video and I hope you don't mind me asking something? At 16 mins 32 there is a train described as the 1230 Inverness-Glasgow, it may well be such a service but two things struck me - the length of the train at 12 coaches (would that fit Queen Street), the formation - 12 coaches in all including 3 Firsts (one air-con, a Mk2d BFK and a pressure vent FK), a restaurant/buffet and Mk2f TSOs.

 

I couldn't help wondering if it's actually The Clansman again as the length and formation fit. 

 

Apologies if it's not and is indeed an internal service, it just appeared different to what I would expect.

Edited December 16, 2019 by hexagon789
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[ColinK]

That’s what my notes said, but 12 coaches would not fit into Queen Street, so you may well be right.  Things were a lot different then with no realtime trains, indeed no internet.

[young37215]

14 minutes ago, ColinK said:

That’s what my notes said, but 12 coaches would not fit into Queen Street, so you may well be right.  Things were a lot different then with no realtime trains, indeed no internet.

Life seemed a lot easier and less stressful back in 1983! You covered a train, hoped that it was a new engine and cursed if it was'nt.

 

I think that the 12 coach train was the Clansman not only because the length would have precluded it from entering Queen Street but because it is air conditioned stock. As far as I can recall and have seen on pictures etc, whilst ETH locos were commonplace, air cons were still rare on the intra Scotland services to Inverness in 1983. 

 

[brushman47544]

Excellent film. Very unusual at 13:30 to see an E-G set with a Mk2e FO replacing the Mk3 FO.

[Padishar Creel]

1 hour ago, brushman47544 said:

Excellent film. Very unusual at 13:30 to see an E-G set with a Mk2e FO replacing the Mk3 FO.

See Flood's answer to my point a few posts above. Answer is there, MK2f Nr. 3284

es grüßt 

pc

[hexagon789]

8 hours ago, ColinK said:

That’s what my notes said, but 12 coaches would not fit into Queen Street, so you may well be right.  Things were a lot different then with no realtime trains, indeed no internet.

 

I appreciate that, if a train ran outside of its booked timings it must've been quite difficult to find out on the fly as it were.

 

8 hours ago, young37215 said:

I think that the 12 coach train was the Clansman not only because the length would have precluded it from entering Queen Street but because it is air conditioned stock.

It was the length and amount of first class that caught my eye.

 

8 hours ago, young37215 said:

As far as I can recall and have seen on pictures etc, whilst ETH locos were commonplace, air cons were still rare on the intra Scotland services to Inverness in 1983. 

 

Surprisingly enough in 1983 the Inverness services were booked to have an air-con Mk2d Corridor First providing first class according to the carriage working books and indeed in the video, the rakes are formed with one.

 

Until then I assumed they used a Mk2c FK, as these were converted to CK and provided first class in most Inverness trains in the latter 1980s. Which begs two questions - why the switch and where did the Mk2d FK go?

 

1 hour ago, brushman47544 said:

Excellent film. Very unusual at 13:30 to see an E-G set with a Mk2e FO replacing the Mk3 FO.

 

Actually it's a Mk2f 3284, as Flood kindly linked to above, it was a spare for the Mk3 FO and dedicated to the push-pulls.

[hexagon789]

Btw Flood, do you recall Bob Reid mentioned about 3284 not receiving disc brakes in spite of some publications suggesting it did? I think the video proves it didn't, when the coach is seen it does not appear to have the WSP equipment of the Mk2f DBSO next to it.

[Smallwonder]

I can't contribute to the coach chat, but if anyone is interested in some late 80's freight and departmental train formations I saw at Millerhill and drew (!) (film being expensive to me then) I could upload them to an appropriate thread sometime. 

In the meantime some more Waverley photos as blurred as my memories:

 

47665 (ED) 5 April 88 - 0845

 

 

47467 (IS) - 5 April 88 - 0900.  Later hauled the 1125 to Inverness.

 

 

47665 (ED) - 5 April 88 - 1015

 

47663 (ED) - 5 April 88 - 1142 relief to Kings Cross

 

37308 (CF) (later 37274) - 7 April 88 heading West with ballast.

 

37033 (IS) - 7 April 88 - heading East after depositing some wagons laden with rails which it brought form the West.

 

 

47461 (IS) - 7 April 88 - 1125 to Inverness

 

26005 (still in old railfreight grey) then passed through on a trip working with a couple of TTAs, heading East, but the photo just shows the headlights so I've not attached it.

 

47588 (CD) on 2 May 88 having plenty of time to run round its train (the 1011 arrival from Aberdeen, departing for Plymouth at 1044)

 

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[w124bob]

On 08/10/2018 at 10:50, Alcanman said:

Thanks Dave. I wish I'd kept notes at the time. I visited Inverness twice. My first visit was in Sept 1981 and I have numbers in my notebook, however, they don't tie up with all my photos. I think I may not have taken any photos then.

 

My second visit was probably 1985, plenty of 37s at Inverness. This time I took photos but I was no longer collecting numbers!

 

This is my favourite pic, 26032 and 26037 have all the neccessary embellishments, must have been 1985.

 

 

The 6LDA website lists five class 26 with stag emblems, 32, 37, 38, 40 & 41 . This picture must have been taken prior to August '85, as 37 had a yellow/black stag sticker by August. I'm pretty sure 41 received it's yellow/black stag logo around the same time as there are pictures of the two togehter on a railtour and on the fuel point at Inverness. 

Edited December 18, 2019 by w124bob
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[Waverley West]

11 hours ago, Smallwonder said:

I can't contribute to the coach chat, but if anyone is interested in some late 80's freight and departmental train formations I saw at Millerhill and drew (!) (film being expensive to me then) I could upload them to an appropriate thread sometime. 

In the meantime some more Waverley photos as blurred as my memories:

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You're spoiling us (and especially me) with your photos, Smallwonder. Please upload anything you've got from this region and era! It really is great to see this thread revived with such fascinating photos.

 

Thanks!

Dave

 

[birdseyecircus]

37263 29th June 85 at Glasgow Queen st

 

Paul

[Flood]

21 hours ago, hexagon789 said:

Btw Flood, do you recall Bob Reid mentioned about 3284 not receiving disc brakes in spite of some publications suggesting it did? I think the video proves it didn't, when the coach is seen it does not appear to have the WSP equipment of the Mk2f DBSO next to it.

I don't remember it being mentioned and all the Platform 5 books I have don't state anything  one way or another. Then again, there was no note placed for the DBSOs either until the 1985 batch was done (as 9711 to 9713 had tread brakes).

 

I always assumed it was never disc braked.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Flood

[ColinK]

On 17/12/2019 at 09:36, young37215 said:

I think that the 12 coach train was the Clansman not only because the length would have precluded it from entering Queen Street but because it is air conditioned stock. As far as I can recall and have seen on pictures etc, whilst ETH locos were commonplace, air cons were still rare on the intra Scotland services to Inverness in 1983. 

 

 

You are correct.  There are two other shots of the Clansman on my film and they both have the same formation (perhaps even the same rake) as the shot in question.  I've amended the film accordingly and will upload the revised one soon.  Thanks for spotting it and letting me know.

[Smallwonder]

Waverley, when my photo timing was still suspect.

37080 (ED) 7 May 88

 

47564 (BR) on the 0914 to Blackpool.  47462 lurks behind. 4 June 88.

 

47462 overcomes the embarrassment of its new monobrow aerial and comes out from the shadows, 4 June 88.

 

43066 (NL) 4 June 88

 

47484 (OC) with ECS. 4 June 88.

 

"Crane + JCB" state my informative notes. East end remodelling - 7 June 88

 

47640 (IS) 7 June 88. 1930.

[young37215]

14 hours ago, ColinK said:

 

You are correct.  There are two other shots of the Clansman on my film and they both have the same formation (perhaps even the same rake) as the shot in question.  I've amended the film accordingly and will upload the revised one soon.  Thanks for spotting it and letting me know.

 

My observations were not intended to be criticism, just an opinion based on what I could see. Your film is an absolute cracker as far as I am concerned and a valuable resource for early 1980's modellers. For what it is worth, I have a number of dvd/videos from the era supposedly professionally produced and many of them contain far more glaring errors. 

Edited December 19, 2019 by young37215

[keefer]

The Clansman must be one of the few services to have mk1, mk2 (air-con and not) and mk3 vehicles in the same train:

July 1985, on the Eastbank MRC website: http://www.eastbank.org.uk/images/Highland/UK4029.jpg