Southernman46 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 From the ep samples, the Dapol version has more accurate side trusses to the chassis. The Kernow chassis has overdeep side trusses and is also much too high in respect of body and buffer height. Agreed, the Dapol version looks spot-on , I blathed quite a lot on the Kernow version thread about the truss height being too low well before the thing was released but to no avail, so my money will go to Dapol who yet again have pulled a rabbit out of a hat with these, I feel (same as the Freightliner HIA'a etc ............. great looking wagon for a good price) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Any word on when the Turbots are going to be available please? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdiesel Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I am rather reluctant to help, as there is kit for the Turbot already available, and it seems a shame that everyone is having a go at Cambrian. Drawings of Turbot in Bartlett, Paul W. & Mann, Trevor., (1985) Non - hoppered Steel Ballast Wagons. Part 4 The Plaice and Turbot. Model Railway Constructor vol. 52 (part 615) pp 418 - 422 & 444 - 445. Drawings - Plaice diag. ZC511A : Turbot diag. YC502A Photographs http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brturbot including details. Drawings of Bogie Bolster E is in Bartlett, P., Larkin, D., Mann, T., Silsbury, R., and Ward, A. (1985) An illustrated history of BR wagons, Volume 1 published by Oxford Publishing Company, 192 pages. Also, including a few of the coils in Silsbury, Roger & Mann, Trevor., (1983) The 30 ton Bogie Bolster E. Model Railway Constructor vol. 50 (part 587) pp 165 - 169. Drawings - Bogie bolster E diag. 1/479 ; Uncoded Coil rebuild ; Bogie coil P ; Bogie coil P with ex BEV bolsters . Photographs BBE http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbbe Coil R http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoilr Coil P http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brcoilpjpv Paul Bartlett Hi Paul, Did rakes of Turbots ever use a brake van, Ive looked through many photos but cannot find an answer as most pics only show individual wagons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic79 Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Hi Paul, Did rakes of Turbots ever use a brake van, Ive looked through many photos but cannot find an answer as most pics only show individual wagons. A full rake wouldn't require one since they were vacuum fitted and so the entire rake was sufficiently braked. For example here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lickeybanker/11529707055/in/photolist-iyQLdF-dV2Zn6-299rETf-otd91u-WWUaQn-2ac2Wpj-boY9EH-6EvqkE-4F9BS3-79dnqr-dQQgf9-S4LGox-b14c4p-81TE5C-6Uhabc-2az6mhb-5JiiyW-dj3FsU-WvEpKu-dNUQXy-8c4Abp-r1kAac-pRuJZK-o6V9ch-qvULCF-ow6Da2-o1dJDK-vE5Fx-bZAeFJ-onF7EQ-PdtjtM-aXYUDr-VEFHEs-dJa4ag-p7sfso-iV7fQb-2aLDPvb-9Fb15F-nZUzy-Hq3WX5-8dGLGD-oGvWT1-8BTXab-28SCKDX-pUnguB-dyxbxu-68GYJG-DqHGcZ-4DQLjY-o5ou2B That's also true for a mixed rake of different wagon types if they are all vacuum braked like Turbots. For example, Turbots and Grampus: https://www.flickr.com/photos/lickeybanker/33049110260/in/photolist-Smrk4S-depPba-8Ky9bB-7Wd7jG-9EWrPN-34oaHx-pPPdoj-9FeFjm-depQrc-9FaC4H-5XU9Y5-TygM1K-pPKytF-XgkWVV-7b7YYk-XdyAK7-otnGD6-4fGxvN-7W3MU3-7Wa5dV-pPQvMW-21Qatrs-fSXnP2-7ZQEA9-YvKibw-XgkWj4-fdZnAs-SsvmZp-9Fdhzo-9MAVd3-pxizC5-8DSYaM-9EU3Ee-jmiz4G-9FcWuj-7WcLwQ-7c3rQB-fkH5Qn-drmwJ2-9FbkoA-pxg6rR-k85myY-depuJE-ebfHxb-oSU5D3-nZpZjg-dEFEkd-bTUaNR-csdu5A-9FctcE However, it they were marshalled in a rake with unfitted wagons then, yes, a brake van would be required in all cases. A quick search didn't yield a suitable photograph as an example I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 It's went very quiet regarding the Turbots. Have they been delayed? Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I contacted Dapol last week and was told that the Turbots should appear in the 1st quarter of 2019 all being well... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Foden Posted December 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 11, 2018 This echoes what I heard off the rep at Warley also. He'd said he'd hoped that they'd be in shops by Christmas, but this was now 'unlikely' Had a good look at Warley too, and I have to say, they capture the look of the prototype really well for me. Looking forward to getting a rake ordered up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth 73 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Tweet of kernows saying Dapol turbots due in to day. Is it April the 1st already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Is it April the 1st already? What's not to believe??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth 73 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 What's not to believe??? Six and a half years just to bring a wagon to the market from a mainstream producer. And yes I know it's not just Dapol guilty of this. That's what not to believe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Thanks for the heads up. The Dapol website confirms that all 6 versions (3 Dutch livery and 3 EWS) are being distributed to retailers from today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Six and a half years just to bring a wagon to the market from a mainstream producer. And yes I know it's not just Dapol guilty of this. That's what not to believe They re-started the project from scratch (went through R&D, CADs, EPs etc) and delivered under the new management in a few months. Your point being? They did the same thing with the Class 68 also. If at all the new management should be applauded for this quick progress, not made fun of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Dapol Turbots are now available from Hattons. Just ordered two each of the Dutch ones. I will hopefully have more if finances allow. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 What do people think of it from the photographs? Does it look better than the KMRC one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I will reserve judgement until I have them in front of me. They certainly look good in the photographs with the trusses less deep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 No problem. I don't have any of the KMRC ones so my review will be limited to my opinion of how accurate the Dapol ones look. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 No problem. I don't have any of the KMRC ones so my review will be limited to my opinion of how accurate the Dapol ones look. John Well we've heard enough of how wrong the KMRC ones are. So no issues there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) What do people think of it from the photographs? Does it look better than the KMRC one? Judge for yourselves Dapol 4F-043-004 YCV 'Turbot' bogie ballast wagon DB978337 in BR Civil Engineers 'Dutch' see https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brturbot/ec22cfc3c Dapol 4F-043-006 YCV 'Turbot' bogie ballast wagon DB978702 in BR Civil Engineers 'Dutch' see https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brturbot/e45d14cb Paul Edited January 8, 2019 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Shame the 80's version Dutch livery without end handrails and steps still have the holes in the ends where the handrail should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I got a message from Scoonie Hobbies to say mine have arrived today, looking forward to picking them up on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markmiller2008 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Shame the 80's version Dutch livery without end handrails and steps still have the holes in the ends where the handrail should be. Is this the reason, i wasnt aware there was a differance but thought there was a QC issue with them. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) Here is a picture taken from the Hattons website (Hopefully that's ok) The pinholes for grabrails don't look as if they'll be that big an issue to correct. Some filler or paint will get rid of that. It certainly wont deter me from buying them. Regards Stephen Note to self. Beware of people with fishing rods. Edited January 11, 2019 by ayrmrg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Here is a picture taken from the Hattons website (Hopefully that's ok) The pinholes for grabrails don't look as if they'll be that big an issue to correct. Some filler or paint will get rid of that. It certainly wont deter me from buying them. Regards Stephen 4F-043-004_1028086_Qty1_1.jpg Agreed, it's literally a 5 min job to fill up those holes. Expecting Dapol to have extra slides to avoid that would've resulted in a higher cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37501 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 My long awaited Dutch liveried Turbots have arrived. Just time to have a quick look at one during my lunch break. Initial inspection has me very impressed with them. I have no photos to hand for comparison but they look right to me. Truss depth looks good. Well done to Dapol for these. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Gosh - those holes ................. and they've modelled the wheels 2.33mm too close to each other too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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