rob D2 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Ha ha ha. This has you written all over it.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne 37901 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Ha ha ha. This has you written all over it.... 6ED1A0A6-1D62-40DA-89BE-4EDCF89464CA.png NO!! Utter sacrilege to do such a thing to a 37 James!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Always nice to look over old train mags, stil full of good ideas ect james.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Ha ha ha. This has you written all over it.... 6ED1A0A6-1D62-40DA-89BE-4EDCF89464CA.png How old is that picture? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 How old is that picture? Is about 2002. Loco had been working off Peterborough inc doing railhead trains hence why so grubby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne 37901 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 Hi James, Sorry for not posting sooner, it was great to meet again at Showcase for a chat, albeit briefly. I think it may have been a Showcase where we first met but when it comes to people and faces my long term memory is terrible! You might have been with Loftus Road? Cheers Wayne 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted July 13, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) For those with extra long memories, some may remember a pair of Hornby Class 90s I'd refurbished & painted into Virgin livery back in 2009, trainspotting favourites 90002 Mission: Impossible and 90009 The Economist for my electric depot layout Wells Green TMD. Remotored Hornby Class 90 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr I was pretty pleased with them at the time, amongst my large-ish detailed Class 90 fleet, these were the most detailed yet, with oodles of roof modifications, as well as the usual bufferbeam, cab detailing and some striking repaints which unusually didn't end in a total disaster! Remotored Hornby Class 90 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr However, they never ran that well and often derailed - I'd already remotored them using my standard Heljan 'Hymek' recipe, but the design was essentially flawed, relying on the new Heljan bogie gear towers being perfectly aligned with the surrounding Hornby bogie sideframes - which was of course nigh on impossible! So in the intervening years, these were sidelined and I got stuck into the world of Electrostars, wagons, buildings and Worthing MRC's Loftus Road layout. But with the spanking new Bachmann Class 90 coming out soon, I felt sorry for my forgotten Hornby 90s, and decided to dig out the Virgin pair and see if I could fix the flaw in my remotoring design. Inspired by the great Nigel Burkin's EMU builds of many years ago, I opted to instead build a plasticard mount above the bogie gear towers, and let the whole bogie pivot off a top screw similar to the RTR Bachmann and Hornby locos of today, taking the weight off of the bogie side frames and thereby allowing the loco to traverse the truly awful pointwork of my Wells Green TMD without derailing! Remotored Hornby Class 90 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Simple enough stuff, and it makes so much of a difference! Most of my other remotor jobs work fine, but it's great to get another couple of ancient Hornby Class 90s working again, and I'll doubtless think about doing this conversion on some others if they start playing up. Here's a few more shots of the red beauties...probably one of the smartest liveries to grace a 'Skoda'! Remotored Hornby Class 90 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Remotored Hornby Class 90 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Wells Green TMD is once again appearing at our local club show in Worthing - on September 29th & 30th 2018 - more details at www.worthingmrc.co.uk. Remotored Hornby Class 90 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr I also promise I've got a number of other fun classic retro late 90's/early 00's loco projects on the go behind the scenes, all awaiting a big final airbrushing session later in the Summer before they're ready for unveiling, but watch this space! Cheers, James Edited July 13, 2018 by James Makin 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted July 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2018 Wells Green TMD is once again appearing at our local club show in Worthing - on September 29th & 30th 2018 - more details at www.worthingmrc.co.uk. Remotored Hornby Class 90 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr I also promise I've got a number of other fun classic retro late 90's/early 00's loco projects on the go behind the scenes, all awaiting a big final airbrushing session later in the Summer before they're ready for unveiling, but watch this space! Cheers, James Nice to see some more late 90s output, I wish I could get down to Worthing and see it. Sadly with 3 long distance trips to shows in the diary already this summer I cant justify a forth. Make sure there are plenty of photos! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted July 14, 2018 Share Posted July 14, 2018 I have to ask is there a reason the bogies are carrying the loco on the side frames, instead of using the original Heljan bogie mounting pivots and having the side frames only there as cosmetic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted July 14, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 14, 2018 I have to ask is there a reason the bogies are carrying the loco on the side frames, instead of using the original Heljan bogie mounting pivots and having the side frames only there as cosmetic? That’s a legacy thing from when I’d done the first batch of remotoring in circa 2006, it seemed the easiest way as I didn’t have much access to tools for cutting the metal chassis block into which the Heljan parts would sit (they are different to Bachmann’s top-down screw fixing), and it just seemed an easier bodge at the time! I had some initial luck (more fluke than anything!) but now my old remotor projects are ageing they’re needing a bit of an overhaul and doing properly!! In the new format with the top mounted styrene boxes with pivots, the Hornby sideframes are trimmed of any of the old mounting points and just glued to the gear towers and ‘floating’ so are entirely cosmetic now, and thankfully are running much better! Cheers, James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Excellent stuff James, I enjoyed spending a few evenings browsing through your website for Wells Green a few years ago once I’d found a photo of yours during a search for a project (can’t remember which), and now I’ve got a couple of 'lecce remotoring projects in the 'to do' pile myself! This is when I have a layout with wires to run them on, of course.... The question is, will you be investing in a few new 90s or 92s when (or if...) they appear? Look forward to more, Jack. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted July 17, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2018 Excellent stuff James, I enjoyed spending a few evenings browsing through your website for Wells Green a few years ago once I’d found a photo of yours during a search for a project (can’t remember which), and now I’ve got a couple of 'lecce remotoring projects in the 'to do' pile myself! This is when I have a layout with wires to run them on, of course.... The question is, will you be investing in a few new 90s or 92s when (or if...) they appear? Look forward to more, Jack. Thanks very much Jack! I'm very much looking forward to when/if they appear!! I've got my pre-orders in, two each of the Bachmann '90's, DJM '92's and Hornby Virgin '87s' for when they arrive - I've not been excited about new RTR releases like these for many years! I must say the track work & catenary on my Wells Green TMD is terrible, and although my giant Didcot Parkway layout project is definitely my next baby in development, I can never-say-never on a cheekier, finer-scale, double-size 'Wells Green 2' appearing one day if I give in to temptation!! Cheers, James 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Thanks very much Jack! I'm very much looking forward to when/if they appear!! I've got my pre-orders in, two each of the Bachmann '90's, DJM '92's and Hornby Virgin '87s' for when they arrive - I've not been excited about new RTR releases like these for many years! I must say the track work & catenary on my Wells Green TMD is terrible, and although my giant Didcot Parkway layout project is definitely my next baby in development, I can never-say-never on a cheekier, finer-scale, double-size 'Wells Green 2' appearing one day if I give in to temptation!! Cheers, James I just wish to correct a mistake in your post; I can never-say-never on a cheekier, finer-scale, double-size 'Wells Green 2' appearing one day if when I give in to temptation!! As always superb work, I use to read your website way back when, so guess I have you to blame for some of my projects Wild Boar Fell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted July 17, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2018 I must say the track work & catenary on my Wells Green TMD is terrible, and although my giant Didcot Parkway layout project is definitely my next baby in development, Cheers, James Get on with it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_crisp Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I rather like the sound of this.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Departmental203 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Well, I keep meaning to move on to other projects but I just can't stay away from ballast wagons! Joining the fleet today is ex-Loadhaul ZCA 460165 and ex-Mainline OCA 112001. OCA SPA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr The 'ZCA' is based upon the FTG Models SPA wagon (discussed elsewhere on this forum) and the trusty Bachmann OCA. I was looking to model some of the bolder liveries on these wagons and both of these met the criteria of having been photographed in Didcot Yard at the turn of the century, so it was out with the paints to ruin a pair of wagons! OCA SPA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Looking beautiful in their liveries - both are repainted in faded versions of the original colours, which were then further toned down by coats of whites and light greys - OCA SPA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr As per the previous wagons, the data panels were created in CorelDraw with the Gunplay font. With the prototype ZCA covered in a good few scars from grabber unloading, these were scratched into the side and allowed to fill with rusty brown paint during the usual paint-on/wipe-off stages. Additional browns of varying shades were then built up around the damages to capture the look of a wagon livery slowly losing the battle to the tin worm! SPA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr After much work and a varnishing, the wagon was ready for service. I've added small white handrails to the ZCA on the ends, along with a smidgen of ballast load, as per the original photograph. SPA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr The rusty spots were fun to create, more visible on the orange paint though - I always find the lighter wagons come up much better than these dark beasts but I'm fairly happy with the result. I'd probably fade the paint a stage further on the next black model. I've also got to think about coupling options - these FTG 'SPA's have short tension-lock couplings that don't actually function, so I'm torn between a bodge of a new tension-lock position or jumping straight to fitting something like instanters, and converting the rest of the ballast train as well. They'll look a lot more finescale but will probably take an age to couple up the train at the start of an exhibition!! SPA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr The dollops of ballast were added on top of a small coating of PVA in the corners, and then the centre ballast bits just laid loose and secured with coats of filthy cheap hairspray and then the final matt varnish coats - fixed as solid as granite now! SPA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr SPA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr I always like to model pairs of stock as it saves a lot of time - and this OCA was perfect for the job, adding colour to an otherwise dull ballast train formation! It's ex-Mainline and what's more - it's only Number 001! Modelled just as in the early 2000s, this wagon has gone through changes and current pictures show it faded almost to white, with a layer of lovely graffiti, although this would be a little too late for my period layout unfortunately! OCA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr A custom blue was mixed, then the fading added on top with Humbrol 34 and 1, before addition of Humbrol 62 to get the start of the rust streaks. This was topped up with Humbrol 186 and Phoenix Brake Dust and Dirty Black to get a few different shades around the developed rust patches. OCA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr There's evidence of some white graffiti on panel 2 above, though this has mainly washed off leaving only a ghosting. OCA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr As with my other OCAs, the thick Bachmann plastic sides are thinned down to look slightly more realistic, though it is amazing just how much plastic you'd need to file away to get them looking scale, probably easier to start with etched brass sheet sides! OCA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Fox Transfers data panels and Colin Craig brake discs added a final touch and the wagon was ready to go into service! OCA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr OCA SPA wagon by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr I started the project during the last Bank Holiday earlier in May and it's only just got finished what with the Loftus Road Salisbury show in the middle, so it's been a fun, if protracted project! I'm at a crossroads in terms of modelling next - I have planned an MOD 'OCA', dozens of old 1980s wagons needing to be rebuilt into passable modern prototypes, a Ford Blue Train on the go and a quad of Bachmann '47's to be painted into an attractive colour scheme...I need to prioritise, or more likely tackle something completely different! And finally a cheeky plug...the current Rail Express magazine has my article on the mesh-sided 'OBA' wagon I did a while back, complete with a picture featuring my Xmas tinsel! Have been browsing through your workbench James and I love those dirty engineers wagons!! I have a soft spot for them and this is why I am doing an engineers layout. The ZCA No 460165 was coded "Sea Hare" and it was a SPA with welded doors to make them ballast carriers BTW. Keep up with the weathering (and graffiti)!! Jules 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium blackpete Posted July 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 22, 2018 If you are looking for Instanter couplings, but want a coupled rake, have you thought of trying these? https://www.shapeways.com/product/QKWW9ZGGJ/nem-oo-type-2-couplings-strait-instanter-x4?optionId=63332699 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack374 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 If you are looking for Instanter couplings, but want a coupled rake, have you thought of trying these? https://www.shapeways.com/product/QKWW9ZGGJ/nem-oo-type-2-couplings-strait-instanter-x4?optionId=63332699 They look like a good idea, however putting a step in them to bring them to buffer beam height would improve the look in my opinion. I know brassmasters produce lost wax brass ones in a similar fashion (http://www.brassmasters.co.uk/coach_couplings.htm), with a spigot for mounting behind the buffer beam which is ideal for fixed rakes, but no instanter version unfortunately. Thanks, Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted July 26, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2018 Among my other longer projects, I couldn't resist squeezing in a quickie! C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr I picked up the C-Rail 40' OOCL High Cube back at the Warley show last year as part of my container bulk buying feast, and set about finding an interesting prototype to model from Flickr's vast archive of container pics. The one I'd found was in reasonably good overall condition, just slightly faded, with a bit of patch painting, some transport damage and surface rust in the usual places. C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr The first step was to give the grey container a coat of Humbrol matt varnish, to give a 'key' for the paint-on/wipe-off weathering to stick. Following this, coats of thinned white and light grey were painted on, followed by a coat of Humbrol 62 Matt Leather. C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Following this, the grey patch painting was added, carefully following the prototype picture, along with the rust scars on the sides and the usual corner posts, applying light browns to dark browns - and as you can see, some recent Blondie is the recommended soundtrack to rusty scarring. C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Once weathering was completed, it was then given a final coating of Humbrol matt varnish to seal-in and get ready for a life on the back of a Freightliner train on Worthing MRC's Loftus Road! C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr And it's all ready to get loaded onto a wagon! C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr As mentioned before, there is some more meaty content coming soon I promise, I'm beavering away on a few classic diesels, alongside some Class 66 projects for a mate, and a couple of low relief buildings for Loftus Road...updates soon! Cheers, James 14 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwich Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Among my other longer projects, I couldn't resist squeezing in a quickie! C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr I picked up the C-Rail 40' OOCL High Cube back at the Warley show last year as part of my container bulk buying feast, and set about finding an interesting prototype to model from Flickr's vast archive of container pics. The one I'd found was in reasonably good overall condition, just slightly faded, with a bit of patch painting, some transport damage and surface rust in the usual places. C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr The first step was to give the grey container a coat of Humbrol matt varnish, to give a 'key' for the paint-on/wipe-off weathering to stick. Following this, coats of thinned white and light grey were painted on, followed by a coat of Humbrol 62 Matt Leather. C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Following this, the grey patch painting was added, carefully following the prototype picture, along with the rust scars on the sides and the usual corner posts, applying light browns to dark browns - and as you can see, some recent Blondie is the recommended soundtrack to rusty scarring. C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Once weathering was completed, it was then given a final coating of Humbrol matt varnish to seal-in and get ready for a life on the back of a Freightliner train on Worthing MRC's Loftus Road! C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr And it's all ready to get loaded onto a wagon! C-Rail OOCL High Cube by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr As mentioned before, there is some more meaty content coming soon I promise, I'm beavering away on a few classic diesels, alongside some Class 66 projects for a mate, and a couple of low relief buildings for Loftus Road...updates soon! Cheers, James Stunning work James! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37403 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Usual excellent standard. Nice work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted August 14, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) I've been on annual leave and finally had the chance to catch up on a few more modelling projects for Worthing MRC's Loftus Road - mostly scenery-related enhancements, including this cheeky little ambulance job below! LAS Ambulance by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr I've added a few finishing touches to the Oxford Diecast LAS ambulance, adding a crew, changing the numberplates, a light traffic weathering and toning down the glossy finish with some matt varnish - now good to be added to our traffic jam on Loftus Road! LAS Ambulance by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Meanwhile, it was my birthday on Sunday, and as is traditional, I like to treat myself to a trainspotting trip "me time"(!) but usual Sunday engineering works put paid to that, so it was a Monday trip instead! Now as some of you may know, I bang on about Didcot very often, with relatives up there, the hallowed ground of the station has become a second home, although I've not been up to the station for a fair while now and I had quite a surprise going to see what had been done. So it was interesting to go up there again yesterday to see it post-Great Western mainline upgrade - and let's address that elephant in the room upfront..."THEY'VE RUINED IT!" Anyway, what was bizarre and somewhat ironic, the first train I see is an Electrostar! GWR 387145 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr These are shuttling in and out of London and reversing at Didcot, presumably while they finish off electrifying the rest of the line going West. The drawback is that their 8-coach formations hang around obstructing views on the spotter's favourite Platforms 4-5, and who also enjoys busily 'photting' away being a proper train geek while a trainload of 'normal' people pulls up right alongside, doh! So I'm a little miffed already, anyway now to see that the HSTs have mainly made way for these - GWR 800027 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr They're not actually too bad, and the livery does look rather nice, they sound reasonably good under diesel power, but it's no Paxman Valenta is it!! GWR 800027 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Adding to this, the stabling sidings yielded no locomotives, but things perked up when after waiting ages, a flurry of freights arrived - including these two beauties - 66572 and 66766 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr Sad isn't it...when the best thing to arrive is a pair of '66's...where are those long lines of stabled RfD '47's and class 60 thrashing by! Now as you may have guessed, I don't go trainspotting much these days, but when I do, I have an odd knack of seeing something that's just been discussed in magazines or online...and yesterday was no different with the new Freightliner orange 66413, accompanied by 66524 in the traditional green & yellow more befitting of these lovely locos! 66413 and 66524 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr One interesting addition to 66524 was this mobile job advert now - 66524 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr When will we see a Monster.com or LinkedIn Class 70?! Every now and then, we'd get a 'celebrity'(!) HST arrive! 43180 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr The last time I did a proper day's spotting at Didcot, I think 2016, I'd ignore these, having seen the whole fleet and sounding like dull busses, but you don't know what you have until it's gone! 43025 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr And then this beauty popped into sight - 66007 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr The now-classic EWS livery on a Class 66, and not ruined by silly DB stickers, heaven! (and that is sad of course) Just as I was leaving the station building, as luck has it (and not showing on Realtimetrains.com) appeared DBS Red 66124 on a rake of the JGA-type wagons in varying liveries from the old Buxton Lime to EWS Industrial (who remembers that novelty!) - and what a gloriously modellable mess they are! JGA Wagons at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr There was a lot of VGAs stabled in the Yard too, so here's a couple for reference purposes - VGA wagon 210629 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr VGA wagon 210650 at Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr I'm always pinching other people's pics from Flickr to model my wagons on, so it's nice to give something back for a change!! Finally, here's a few shots showing the crazy rate of change at the Western end of the station, where the classic 'car-park & MGR train signal-check' photo location has given way to this huge car park extravaganza! Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr The whole scene has changed so much over the past 3 years since the masts have gone up, the fixtures added and now finally wired up, it's almost unrecognisable from it's old self. Didcot Parkway 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr On the upside, the temporary footbridge (itself due to be replaced shortly) yields a great photo opportunity for the Yard - next time I'm up there, it'll have all changed again! 165108 at Didcot Yard 13.08.18 by James Makin by jamesmakin2002, on Flickr More updates to follow soon on this and the Loftus Road layout thread! Cheers, James Edited August 14, 2018 by James Makin 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted August 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) The album of Didcot photos I found this morning look much more interesting, taken circa 1998/99. A couple of Class 37s, a handful of Class 60s and a whole load of ex works EWS MFAs. Sadly I didn’t take any of the HSTs, I don’t think I ever did get a photo in Merlin. Ambulance is looking good Edited August 14, 2018 by The Fatadder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanks522 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Shame the knitting is ruining the station but on the plus side once that car park is complete there will be a great viewing platform on the top level. Great set of photos to James. Graham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted August 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2018 While on the whole the photos are not likely to be of any use (certainly not high enough resolution to pick out loco numbers) I have uploaded to Flickr in case there are any details that might be of use to someone modelling Didcot in the late 90s https://flickr.com/photos/151512501@N07/sets/72157697016545092 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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