iak Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I have the bits.. But were are they he muses Have I the time.. Possibly... Moving house is a pain the rear! Shall watch with interest and if fate is kind............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted September 15, 2011 Author Share Posted September 15, 2011 mmm although i dont acutally need on i think i will join in too hopefully there will be some left at the agm Nigel, These kits won't be available from the the Association. They are only on sale directly form Stephen Harris (link in earlier posts). If you get on the phone to him, you might be able to get one in time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antyeates1983 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 This sounds like a great idea, especially as I have a couple of the kits in question in my gloat box. Actually I built one a while ago, photo attached (hopefully). BTW, I've just come across the 2mm Finescale group here on RMweb (I've been a member for quite a while but not a very prolific follower/contributor). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 That looks great Ant. Was that the one you had on show at the 2mm Expo this year? As a big fan of your layout, I'd be more than happy for you to join in with the group build! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backofanenvelope Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Yes, slightly OT, I am also a fan of your layout and think it is one of those inspirational ones for those modelling in small spaces that don't come around that often. Back on topic, hopefully I will have my wagon(s) and bits ready.. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54Strat Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 If I can get hold of the kits in time, I might quite fancy a go at this. I've been interested in building brass kit's for a while and this is a great opportunity to start. I followed Bryn's Catfish build and Pixie's 16t build and I've learnt a lot about, so this is just the kind of nudge I need. As I'm virtually an absolute noob at this, (apart from a clumsy soldering attempt at a dg coupling), I've a few questions regarding tools and materials. Even though I've read lots and researched quite a bit, I'm still a bit confused about irons, solders and fluxes. So I've been looking at soldering irons, and I seem to hear the Antex XS25 being used a lot so this is on my list. Could anyone tell me if it's worth the extra fiver to get one with the heat proof silicone cable? I'm assuming that, other than the safety aspect, this type of cable will be very flexible and pliable, unlike the cheap iron I have now that the cable seems to act like a spring, tearing it off it's stand at every chance. As for tips, what average size would be best and what shape, round or flat? For solder, I'm looking at Carr's Speedy or Carrs 179. For flux I'm looking at Carrs Green Label, though Orange Label appeals because of no cleaning and less hassle? I'm also hearing good things about Carrs Solder Cream, is this a choice worth considering for a noob? And what exactly is the difference between solder paint and solder cream? Is the cream conatin the As to tools, I've a few clamps, squares, old needle files, a bit of wood, and even a fibre glass brush that should suffice (I think) How does this sound, am I on the right (and dark) path? Oh, and plasters and a damp cloth might be useful, and a swear box too? Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 I had no idea you could get an Antex with a different cable on it so i'd not say its a massive consideration. For flux you can get phosphoric acid, Eileens do 9% and London Road Models 12%, both will do for brass with 145-188 solders. It washes off in water and is easy to get hold of to make your own solution if you wanted to. I built my last 2mm mineral with a 2mm flat bit, 9% flux and Eileens 145 solder though for 2mm those resistance soldering units and solder paste do come into their own. Just a craft knife i'd add to the tools to get the bits off the fret.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backofanenvelope Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Ok, I am deffo in and have ordered said wagons for build off, just need to get parts! Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted September 17, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2011 and a swear box too? THE most important component...it also acts as a fund to buy the next wagon kit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted September 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2011 only one kit ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backofanenvelope Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Nick, is that you have ordered only one or there is only one left? Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted September 17, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 17, 2011 I am assuming Nick meant the quantity of dosh amounted in the swear box could buy a number of kits. Unless I am being a complete ***** about this (ooops...that's another kit paid for)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backofanenvelope Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Ho ho... yes now I see.. thx Pete.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted September 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2011 Pete is correct he must know my modelling swear box will decline joining in as have enough things half finished at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2mm Andy Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Plenty of time to finish the other projects before you start the wagon kit, Nick! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54Strat Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Thanks for the info Craig, very useful, especially about the homebrew flux though I think I'll stick to propriety until I've at least a few scars. As for the swear box, I thought the FS in 2FS referred to Soldering Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antyeates1983 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Thanks for the kind comments - yes, this wagon did make an appearance at Expo (at least, I had it with me in the stock box). I also have a few 16T minerals with 2mm Association plastic bodies. The Stephen Harris wagon definitely wins in appearance. For soldering I use an Antex 30W iron (but have used the 25W successfully in the past). I usually leave on a bit that tapers to a point, but a "chisel" type one should be fine for this too. Since buying a tube of Carr's 179 solder cream I've become a major convert. It's so much easier to be able to apply the solder before the heat, and helps to avoid those moments of not having enough hands that seem to occur regularly in soldering. By far the most important thing with the soldering iron is to make sure the tip is tinned and "shiny" before trying to use it. Sometimes I find this a pain to achieve but it is well worth persevering. Although I don't (yet) have one, I've heard that the type of tip cleaner that looks like a wire pot scourer is fantastic. Anthony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted September 18, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2011 By far the most important thing with the soldering iron is to make sure the tip is tinned and "shiny" before trying to use it. Sometimes I find this a pain to achieve but it is well worth persevering. Although I don't (yet) have one, I've heard that the type of tip cleaner that looks like a wire pot scourer is fantastic. Anthony I would fully agree with this. I use one of these pot scourer type cleaners and much prefer it to the damp sponge. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2mm Andy Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 By far the most important thing with the soldering iron is to make sure the tip is tinned and "shiny" before trying to use it. Sometimes I find this a pain to achieve but it is well worth persevering. Although I don't (yet) have one, I've heard that the type of tip cleaner that looks like a wire pot scourer is fantastic. Anthony I'd agree with Jerry on this - the 'pan scourer' tip cleaners are very good. I would also recommend getting a little pot of the 'tip tinner' - plunge the tip of the iron in this after cleaning it in the pan scourer and you'll get a nice shiny coating on the iron tip. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Natalie Graham Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I found a tin of Multicore tip tinner/cleaner in a box the other day. A small round tin about the same diameter as a 10p piece, with double sided sticky on the bottom and some hard stuff inside that when you rub the tip of the iron on it fetches the oxide off the tip and tins it at the same time. It works very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
backofanenvelope Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Have some kits, just waiting for the bits! Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Not a happy bunny , mainly due to the cam belt letting go and trashing the cylender head im motorless, so no AGM attendance from me.ah well its going to be a mail purchase so i ca join in with the build Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Not a happy bunny , mainly due to the cam belt letting go and trashing the cylender head im motorless, so no AGM attendance from me.ah well its going to be a mail purchase so i ca join in with the build Could you make it by train? Someone might volunteer to give you a lift to/from a station. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelb Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Rich i would love too and its some thing im looking at . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted October 2, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2011 What time and date is kick off Bryn? Need to have a rummage in the gloat box, locate said 16T and check for outstanding bits... TIA... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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