richard37670 Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 very interesting i will have get some square buffers. that one i will have to do aswell keep them coming please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Hopefully this is what you're looking for; See at Bodmin General on 22/9/96. There's also some informtion on the CDA's here; http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_030.php Hope this helps. Clive. I've just found out from old video at bodmin the cda is 375134 so shall be doing that one aswell as 353224 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) Makes sense if that one at Bodmin wasn't 353224 as it would account for the dissapearance/reappearance of the ladders! this one (575075) has square buffers <pedant> It'll be 375075 </pedant> but good catch! That mod isn't exactly common but it's not the only one. 375092 also has (at one end) 375110 definately has them at one end only - novel! 375118... All my shots currently online are here - i've some older ones to put back but they will need locating and scanning... http://ukrailwaypics...6637767_hKW4F3D Most were shot in the mid 00s, there were some interesting livery variants at that time, various combinations of red/blue in framing and hoods, plus some other detail bits like yellow end patches and 'ghosts' of the ECC logo panels. There's some detail shots in there too covering the roof and 'slotted' side, which are respectively rendered rather poorly and not rendered at all on the Hornby model! <edit to correct photo links> Edited September 28, 2011 by Glorious NSE 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Thanks will be a great help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Makes sense if that one at Bodmin wasn't 353224 as it would account for the dissapearance/reappearance of the ladders! <pedant> It'll be 375075 </pedant> but good catch! That mod isn't exactly common but it's not the only one. 375092 also has (at one end) 375110 definately has them at one end only - novel! 375118... All my shots currently online are here - i've some older ones to put back but they will need locating and scanning... http://ukrailwaypics...6637767_hKW4F3D Most were shot in the mid 00s, there were some interesting livery variants at that time, various combinations of red/blue in framing and hoods, plus some other detail bits like yellow end patches and 'ghosts' of the ECC logo panels. There's some detail shots in there too covering the roof and 'slotted' side, which are respectively rendered rather poorly and not rendered at all on the Hornby model! <edit to correct photo links> Yeah the Hornby model has inproved just wish they had done the hood abit better but hey can't have everything yeah will be interested in older pictures if you can get some for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggyman Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Hi Some other variations.... Blue frames.... Blue roof.... Unique graffiti. I suppose because most of the time the wagons are kept in secure locations they have suffered little graffiti.This one also has square buffers,see later pic. & a variation of weathering technique.... Cheers Bill 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscarne Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 I've just found out from old video at bodmin the cda is 375134 so shall be doing that one aswell as 353224 Makes sense if that one at Bodmin wasn't 353224 as it would account for the dissapearance/reappearance of the ladders! The more I looked at my picture and compared details with other wagons it became clear that I'd got it wrong. Apologies to all! So 375134 that I must have photographed at Bodmin was one of the HAA re-builds with a reversed roof arrangement then. That's what threw me... I'd not spotted that some were re-built the wrong way round. An odd detail on this wagon that also confused me was the oval cover on one of the door opening catches, common on earlier HAA's, but the only one I'd seen on a CDA. Excuse over......... The Hornby CDA has the solebar air pipes of the HAA, so that's useful for modelling the re-builds, but really needs correcting for the 'new build' CDA's which has no pipes on the side with the 'middle' brake link and two parrallel pipes on the side without the brake link. Hopefully the pictures explain the arrangement better than I can. At least 353224 is included on the Fox transfer sheet ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 well i wasn't sure weather it was 353224 at bodmin but lucky my dad was there that year and looked at it today. i'm going have fun doing all the different styles of cda. would you no what for transfer pack the number are in for 353224 thank you guys for the picture been a great help keep them coming and i'll get 2 work on them soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) Think I said it earlier, 375000 to 375123 were the original 'new build' production batch, but then there were a few more which I **think** may also have been converts from HAAs - that would account for any HAA details and the chassis/bodies being the other way round on some. So far as I can tell the production batch up to 123 were all built identically. This is a shot from 2001 I found digging through the archives which I **think** is 375130, but the number is hard to make out, it's another one with the body/chassis the wrong way though. (Can't tell conclusively from this shot but I think it maybe has the brake gear underneath in HAA style as well?) Edited September 28, 2011 by Glorious NSE 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share Posted September 28, 2011 Think I said it earlier, 375000 to 375123 were the original 'new build' production batch, but then there were a few more which I **think** may also have been converts from HAAs - that would account for any HAA details and the chassis/bodies being the other way round on some. So far as I can tell the production batch up to 123 were all built identically. This is a shot from 2001 I found digging through the archives which I **think** is 375130, but the number is hard to make out, it's another one with the body/chassis the wrong way though. (Can't tell conclusively from this shot but I think it maybe has the brake gear underneath in HAA style as well?) Yeah it does look like the breaking gear is underneath i'm really interested in really doing as many different style now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boscarne Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Fox Transfers sheet F4155/2 covers numbering and small details for the CDA. ECC logo's, if you need them are F4155. Both are available together as F4155SP. I've just consulted 'Working Wagons-Vol 4' by David Larkin, he states the following ref CDA's; " After the successful conversion of a 'cleaned' HAA in 1986, BREL Doncaster produced Lot 4062 during 1987/88. These were completely new vehicles and numbered 375000 to 375123. By 1991, three design codes (CD 001A, CD 002A and CD 002B) are quoted for these vehicles but I have not yet determined what the differences were. Further vehicles were added to the fleet in 1989. These were conversions from HAAs, carried out by RFS Doncaster, and were given numbers 375124 to 375137. These may have included the original 1986 conversion. The design code for these was CD 001B." Most of which appears to be in agreement with the information on the LTSV Wagons site; http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_030.php 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 Thanks for the info mate that great help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 These were conversions from HAAs, carried out by RFS Doncaster, and were given numbers 375124 to 375137. These may have included the original 1986 conversion. The design code for these was CD 001B." So for completeness we know that bit didn't happen as 353224 is still around. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 just ordered some fox transfer stuff for the cda i'm going do work on. going pick a few wagon to do first starting with 353224 then 375130 and 134 from bodmin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 Progress so far i've nearly competed a few wagons when i find out how upload picture i'll put them on here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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treggyman Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Hi Glad to see you're making progress Look forward to more pics Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 Thank been working today and seen alot of cda in all different condition keep forgetting the camera all low numbers not sure where the last lot of cda are they some in blazey yard stored will have pop in have a look one day when passing see if there any there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 From the last TOPS info I saw I think all the surviving 'second batch' ones are stored, most are at St Blazey, but 125, 135 and 137 are supposed to be internal user 'reach wagons' at Fowey i'm told. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 Handy to no that when i was in the patrolling team at work i did walk down in the yard i seen a few wagons for the reach wagon but didn't take much notice of them now i wish i did and much take my camera abit more next time i'm down there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted October 7, 2011 Author Share Posted October 7, 2011 A few picture of 353224 still abit to do i.e weathering and put the drain hole on the side and ends Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Hello everyone progress on the wagon is coming along nicely slowly getting there with each one I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the black square is on the body side of some wagons that i've seen I'm still interested in the batch of cda numbered 375124 to 375137 so if anyone could help me with pictures of any of them be much thankful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 Here some more pictures of progress alot more todo on the wagon yet I.e drain holes on the side and weathering 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard37670 Posted May 12, 2012 Author Share Posted May 12, 2012 Finally got abit of time to work on the cda here a few picture on the drain hole runs on the side and end just a trail run wagon just see what it look like what everyone think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 If you had a thin strip of black decal materiel, could you cut it up into rectangles to represent the holes, that doesn't look bad in the distant shot but the closer ones it shows the staining doesn't come from those specific 'holes' in the body and I wonder whether that would help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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