Judith Edge kits

[Jub45565]

13 hours ago, davefrk said:

the Stanier 3mt is looking very good, I think I said to you that I need one or two for Wharfeside

 

Funnily enough Dave I was looking through books yesterday & with the help of Duncan's (Blandford1969) spreadsheet (on the Stanier 3P 2-6-2T topic) decided that of the Manningham/Ilkley based ones 40117 & 40178 give a good variety of detailing differences. Just need to decide whether to batch build or not.

[Michael Edge]

The main differences are the back sanders, boiler and tank vents but there are a lot of minor variations as well, including some just seen in the way of patch repairs to the bunkers. The back sander differences are covered in the etch, domeless or domed boiler are just different fittings and we are not providing the awkward cranked tank top vents.

[FoxUnpopuli]

5 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

The main differences are the back sanders, boiler and tank vents but there are a lot of minor variations as well, including some just seen in the way of patch repairs to the bunkers. The back sander differences are covered in the etch, domeless or domed boiler are just different fittings and we are not providing the awkward cranked tank top vents.

 

Now that's something I might be able to successfully 3D Print!

Edited January 26, 2020 by FoxUnpopuli
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[Michael Edge]

It's a good way to produce patterns for lost wax castings but I haven't drawn them, luckily my customer's 7mm loco didn't need them.

[Michael Edge]

As promised, update on the now finished Stanier 3P 2-6-2T.

 

Some details about the motion work.

The slidebars are laminated etches and peg through the cylinder ends, this time I have fitted them and soldered the ends to the motion bracket.

Below is a completed con rod and crosshead/piston rod assembly. Parts for the other crosshead below, three inner layers to laminate together, outer  and inner layers, the drop link is a separate etch on the left. Not visible her is that the inner and outer layers have an inner half etch to locate on the slidebars.

 RH con rod and crosshead slid in place, the piston rod is soldered to the crosshead at this point. The little end pivot is a pin with the head outwards, soldered to the crosshead at the back and kept as near flush as possible. The drop link is fitted with the pin but not soldered to the crosshead yet, turning it sideways like this allows it to pass through the motion bracket.

Completed frames now being painted, motor and gearbox masked off, if the wheels had been Romfords it would have been easier to remove the gearbox but I like to put Gibson wheels on once only. Sprayed all over with Halfords etching primer, wheels turned during the process to get paint on the frames behind them. All brakes, sanding gear, cylinder drains etc. fitted now before any motion is added.

Now sprayed with Hycote satin black, this was the first coat, some unpainted frame visible behind the leading driver - this is corrected with another coat of paint.

 

Wheel tyres (including the backs), slidebar working faces and crankpins cleaned off, coupling rods being fitted. The coupling rod etch allows for a recessed fastener on the leading crankpin, this will be needed for EM/P4 gauges.

Valve spindle slidebars fitted now, they should have been on before but I forgot. The motor is a Chinese n30 on a High Level Roadrunner gearbox, it bolts directly on to this but the shaft is 1mm so needed sleeving.

Motion all assembled, the drop link is now soldered to the face of the crosshead. Missing from the etch were the link brackets, these have been borrowed from a spare Fowler 3P etch. Also missing was the locating hole for the link pivot in the frames.

 

View from underneath shows plenty of clearance behind the crossheads - but this is 00 gauge, in wider gauges there won't be as much room but still should be enough. Pcb pads across the frames carry phosphor bronze wire pickups, these were soldered in before painting but the wires fitted afterwards.

Finished loco LH side, the ejector is from Comet, buffer heads will be fitted after grit blasting but will be painted black along with everything else. Steam loco buffers did not have bright shiny machined shanks as most modellers seem to prefer. Looking at the photo I still have to fit the tank fillers but these are still being moulded.

RH back view. This has been finished as near as I can get to 40127 of Brunswick shed but there are lots of minor variations in these locos apart from the obvious boiler and sanding differences.

Corrections to the etch to be done now and we'll get it in production as soon as we can. We may provide some mouldings with this one, chimney and firebox back at least - many of the other parts are much the same as later Ivatt 2MT 2-6-2Ts and should be commercially available.

 

[polybear]

16 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

 

 

Now sprayed with Hycote satin black, this was the first coat, some unpainted frame visible behind the leading driver - this is corrected with another coat of paint.

 

 

I take it that's not your best pair of long-nosed pliers Mike......

[Michael Edge]

No, they are an old pair of forceps, as you may surmise only used for this job. Every few months I crack the accumulated crust of paint off them though.

[St Enodoc]

1 hour ago, Michael Edge said:

No, they are an old pair of forceps, as you may surmise only used for this job. Every few months I crack the accumulated crust of paint off them though.

Veterinary forceps, no doubt.

[Barry O]

I have a few pairs of different sizes and shapes. Very handy for all sorts of uses

Baz

[Michael Edge]

2 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

Veterinary forceps, no doubt.

Quite possibly, I've had these a very long time.

[Michael Edge]

Link above to what is one of our poorest selling kits, meanwhile design work is complete on another large industrial diesel, the Sentinel 0-8-0DH. 

This is the best known and only survivor of these locos, the ex MoD one at the Avon Valley railway where we measured it some years ago. 610 was something of a one-off though but similar ones were supplied to British Steel Ebbw Vale and NCB Moor Green colliery. A longer wheelbase version was built for British Steel Normanby Park (Scunthorpe - where the Hunslet 0-6-0DE was for). The eventual kit will probably include parts for all three possibilities.

Corrections for the Stanier 3P 2-6-2T next on the drawing list.

[FoxUnpopuli]

Can't wait for the final Stanier go.  It shall be my first metal kit.  A pair of 15" Hunslets are required at some point to make 'Austin II' and 'Austin 3'...  they might be a more sensible first attempt kit!

[Blandford1969]

1 hour ago, FoxUnpopuli said:

Can't wait for the final Stanier go.  It shall be my first metal kit.  A pair of 15" Hunslets are required at some point to make 'Austin II' and 'Austin 3'...  they might be a more sensible first attempt kit!

Is the 2-6-2 sticking with the pony trucks as they are or are you planning on changing the back one to the more U shape, not that it will put me off wanting 2 of them, just curious.

[PAD]

2 hours ago, Blandford1969 said:

Is the 2-6-2 sticking with the pony trucks as they are or are you planning on changing the back one to the more U shape, not that it will put me off wanting 2 of them, just curious.

 

Hi Duncan,

As you are aware, Mike kindly offered to sell  me the spare set of 7mm test etches  that he had after I enquired if he would be making it available in 7mm. Originally I intended to modify the rear truck to have a U frame as per the prototype.  This may   have allowed for  full modelling of the brake crank, brackets and the brake cylinder. However, even on a 7 mm model it will not be visible so I've decided to stay with the pony as designed. As you can see in this view, once the cab steps are in place all that will be visible will be the last part of the pull rod and the bottom of the crank. I doubt if the fact that the truck has an A frame as opposed to  U frame will show when the step is on, so it's highly unlikely that it will show in 4mm. I leave it to Mike  to comment on how the kit will be on released, but I've decided it doesn't bring much to the party to be worth the effort. Also bear in mind that with a prototype brake rigging set up above the rear truck, there may not be clearance for the truck on curves, even with a U frame.

 

By the way, if the 4mm version goes together as well as the 7mm set of etchings have,   you 4mm boys have a real treat to look forward to. Bearing in mind, that I purchased a spare set of test etchings, I have been able to build this model without any instructions whatsoever. The design of the kit is very simple but everything fits as it should. Please note, Mike only supplied the etchings for this build and all the detail parts are from proprietary 7mm sources or the spares box. For those of you on Western Thunder who may be interested,  there is a full write up of the build so far.

Cheers,

Peter

 

[Michael Edge]

11 hours ago, Blandford1969 said:

Is the 2-6-2 sticking with the pony trucks as they are or are you planning on changing the back one to the more U shape, not that it will put me off wanting 2 of them, just curious.

I will be changing the trailing truck frame but not reproducing the exact brake arrangement since this would restrict the truck movement far too much for a working model. I'll probably put in one brake shaft bracket on the centre line, just to have something to attach the pull rod to. this will probably allow enough swing but if it doesn't it could be left out.

[Michael Edge]

12 hours ago, FoxUnpopuli said:

Can't wait for the final Stanier go.  It shall be my first metal kit.  A pair of 15" Hunslets are required at some point to make 'Austin II' and 'Austin 3'...  they might be a more sensible first attempt kit!

That sounds a much more sensible idea, start with a properly worked up kit. I think the 3P will still be essentially a set of etched parts with very little in the way of instructions although we may include some of the more difficult moulded parts this time.

[PAD]

3 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

I will be changing the trailing truck frame but not reproducing the exact brake arrangement since this would restrict the truck movement far too much for a working model. I'll probably put in one brake shaft bracket on the centre line, just to have something to attach the pull rod to. this will probably allow enough swing but if it doesn't it could be left out.

 

Damn! Looks like I'll have to scratch up the U frame after all. Can't have the 4mm boys showing me up.

Edited February 7, 2020 by PAD

[Michael Edge]

I've just redrawn the trailing pony truck frame, I think the single thickness brake shaft bracket can be an extension of the compensation knife edge. It's that that is really needed, the shape of the truck frame isn't noticeable from the side and I don't bother with detail that requires the loco to be turned over to see.

[Gordon A]

On 06/02/2020 at 07:39, Michael Edge said:

Link above to what is one of our poorest selling kits, meanwhile design work is complete on another large industrial diesel, the Sentinel 0-8-0DH. 

This is the best known and only survivor of these locos, the ex MoD one at the Avon Valley railway where we measured it some years ago. 610 was something of a one-off though but similar ones were supplied to British Steel Ebbw Vale and NCB Moor Green colliery. A longer wheelbase version was built for British Steel Normanby Park (Scunthorpe - where the Hunslet 0-6-0DE was for). The eventual kit will probably include parts for all three possibilities.

Corrections for the Stanier 3P 2-6-2T next on the drawing list.

Yes please Mike.

 

Gordon A

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4 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

I've just redrawn the trailing pony truck frame, I think the single thickness brake shaft bracket can be an extension of the compensation knife edge. It's that that is really needed, the shape of the truck frame isn't noticeable from the side and I don't bother with detail that requires the loco to be turned over to see.

 

I would agree with that Mike. Whilst the U frame offers clearance to represent the brake shaft bracket, it offers nothing visually when the model is on the track. This afternoon I removed the A frame from the rear truck and scratched up a U frame, purely to allow some clearance. Here's the front and rear trucks for comparison.

 

And in the frames. Clearly there's much more space for the brake detail.

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The forum wouldn't let me add further images in the lasts post but this image shows the U frame placed on the A frame and the extra clearance it affords.

 

But viewed on the track it's not possible to see if it's an A or U frame.

 

Cheers,

Peter

Edited February 7, 2020 by PAD

[Down_Under]

On 06/02/2020 at 15:39, Michael Edge said:

Link above to what is one of our poorest selling kits, meanwhile design work is complete on another large industrial diesel, the Sentinel 0-8-0DH. 

This is the best known and only survivor of these locos, the ex MoD one at the Avon Valley railway where we measured it some years ago. 610 was something of a one-off though but similar ones were supplied to British Steel Ebbw Vale and NCB Moor Green colliery. A longer wheelbase version was built for British Steel Normanby Park (Scunthorpe - where the Hunslet 0-6-0DE was for). The eventual kit will probably include parts for all three possibilities.

Corrections for the Stanier 3P 2-6-2T next on the drawing list.

 

Sign me up for a steel works and NCB variant Mike! One to add to the collection ofcv0-8-0 beasts

 

J

 

[Mike G]

Mike

 

Love the Stannier. In 4mm - how much and when will it be available?

 

regards

 

Mike

[Michael Edge]

No price yet, depends on how much I can put on one sheet and what we include with it. There's still a chance we might have it for Scalefour North, otherwise Railex in May.

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Just to complete the picture regarding the rear truck and brake rigging, I've scratched up the brake shaft support etc. and clearance is fine in 7mm. However, to be safe, I reduced the length of the shaft and bracket width to give a bit more clearance. I think it should be possible to do something similar in 4mm if required, but I don't know what parts Mike will include.  Heres the bracket ready to fit. It is screwed to an extra spacer added to the frames as it needs to be detachable as the rear most pull rod coincides with the bogie pivot screw.  The hand brake crank at the rear should be separate from the vacuum brake crank but I made them as one for simplicity. As with the bracket width,  its not noticeable on the rails.

 

Here it is installed. The truck is screwed in place first, then the end of the pull rod is inserted into a hole in the cross shaft shackle and the bracket inserted between the truck frames and screwed to the spacer.  Please not, the cross shafts and shackles are scratch built, not the etched parts. I didn't add the brake cylinder as this is totally hidden up inside the frames.

 

Here you can see the degree of swing that is available for the truck which gives no problems on the curves. I didn't use Mike's compensation system on the rear axle, so I don't know if those parts would be impacted on by the extra brake fittings.

 

Sorry for the hijacks Mike,  but as this is a direct scale up of the 4mm etchings I thought it might be of interest.  

 

Thanks again for letting me have the spare 7mm etchings.  Nothing fancy about the design, but the fit of the parts has been excellent and a joy to build. I like your philosophy on not adding parts that can only be seen by picking up the model ,  although I do like to add the brake rigging in more detail, but that's easy to do and after all we are supposed to be modellers.

 

Good luck with the sales of the 4mm version. 

Cheers,

Peter

Edited February 12, 2020 by PAD
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