PenrithBeacon Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, St Enodoc said: Try "sheet metal rollers" or "slip rollers". No idea if any of them are any good of course. I put both descriptions into eBay and Amazon and got a selection of tools but they are very much professional tools with a professional price tag. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decauville1126 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: I put both descriptions into eBay and Amazon and got a selection of tools but they are very much professional tools with a professional price tag. https://www.google.com/search?q=modelmakers+metal+rollers&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwinx-XPxvHnAhX5TxUIHU8iCDoQ_AUoAnoECAcQBA&biw=1366&bih=625 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) https://www.warco.co.uk/bending-rolls-rollers/86-mini-slip-rolls.html This is the cheapest one I've found EDIT: Then I found a cheaper one! https://www.rdgtools.co.uk/acatalog/SHEET_METAL_MACHINES.html Edited February 27, 2020 by PenrithBeacon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: https://www.warco.co.uk/bending-rolls-rollers/86-mini-slip-rolls.html This is the cheapest one I've found EDIT: Then I found a cheaper one! https://www.rdgtools.co.uk/acatalog/SHEET_METAL_MACHINES.html Not sure about cheaper? The first one you found looks to include VAT, the second one doesn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 On 23/02/2020 at 20:09, innocentman said: Hi Daddyman, I used my trusty Midland Railway Centre riveting tool. http://www.midrailcentre.com/rivet-embossing-tool Andy Further hijacking/diversion! Sorry! Thanks for this link, and to others for the follow up comments. I was not aware of the Midland Railway Centre one but was aware of the GW one, through adverts in MRJ. Is the Midland one advertised at all? And are there other potential options? Although the Midland one seems better from the feedback. The link was also interesting in that Midland also do a variety of turntable kits in 4mm that, again, I wasn’t conscious of. Maybe just me of course though! A build of one of the turntables on another forum is linked, which was useful. Of course, that led to a diversion of looking at the Hawick layout thread that was where the turntable was for! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted February 27, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: https://www.warco.co.uk/bending-rolls-rollers/86-mini-slip-rolls.html This is the cheapest one I've found EDIT: Then I found a cheaper one! https://www.rdgtools.co.uk/acatalog/SHEET_METAL_MACHINES.html It's not clear from the photos how these are geared together - they may well be the same as the GW one. I can't help with sources, the Ian Cherry one is long out of production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicktoix Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 On 27/02/2020 at 11:00, PenrithBeacon said: https://www.warco.co.uk/bending-rolls-rollers/86-mini-slip-rolls.html This is the cheapest one I've found EDIT: Then I found a cheaper one! https://www.rdgtools.co.uk/acatalog/SHEET_METAL_MACHINES.html Both are far too big for 4mm and probably for 7mm as well. Nick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Nicktoix said: Both are far too big for 4mm and probably for 7mm as well. Nick https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254325582981 This is probably better but still expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Nicktoix said: Both are far too big for 4mm and probably for 7mm as well. Nick Not if you build coaches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted February 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, billbedford said: Not if you build coaches Use a former as per the one used by Ducky in the SOS thread on layouts. And he has built a fair few coaches Baz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 For rolling roofs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted February 29, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 29, 2020 Why roll a roof.. other methods are available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted February 29, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 29, 2020 A bit more work on the LNER C14 yesterday. I did a little bit on this in my demo at Warley last year but it hasn't been touched since. The firebox wrapper and end are on the etch, all seemed to work out ok, it locates in a half etch on the cab front and the ends are multiple thicknesses to make the shaping of the curve possible. Only the smokebox front was on the etch, the rest of the boiler is rolled from .010" brass sheet - using the GW rolling bars. the smokebox wrapper is .006" n/s, this will probably be on the production etch. By BR days there were a few visible rivets on this, I'll have to add them with Super Steel. I can't find any photos showing the washout plugs (three on each side according to drawings) in BR days, or indeed anything of the tank tops - if anyone knows of any can you let me know please. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clowe999 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Any chance of seeing the C14 at Wakefield Scalefour later this month? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted March 9, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2020 We'll have the LNER(GC) C14 with us at S4 North, probably with some more work done on it by then. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffordshire Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Hello, Any progress on the etches or kit for the SR C14 ? Many thanks, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted March 10, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2020 Not yet, there'll be some photos on here when there is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PAD Posted March 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2020 Hi Mike, Thought you might be interested to see how the 7mm Stanier 3P turned out. I completed it earlier this week apart from the motor, pick ups and painting. Despite having no instructions I found it very easy to build and the fit of the parts was excellent. The photos in your build thread and the drawings provided, were off course a big help. One or two further observations that might be relevant to the 4mm builders. First I found that the "cork" added to the oil reservoir in the big end of the connecting rod fouled the underside of the side tanks at the top of the stroke. I had to cut a rectangular slot to eliminate this. Looking at the GA drawings, it appears that this was an issue on the prototype as there is an arch in the bottom of the tank. I also found that the top of the expansion link did the same and again, I cut a slot to give clearance. However, I think in the latter case it was due to the valve gear assembly made as a detatchable sub section, not being lined up correctly. I have since added additional spacers to screw it in place. I think that the slot is now redundant , but it can't be seen. The laminated balance pipe is a neat idea and much better than a white metal casting. Your design for the cab floor to be fixed to the frames allowing access to the cab for painting as the roof is intended to be soldered in place, was not to my liking. I appreciate that getting a good fit for the roof is essential, so I understand your methodology. However, Tony Geary (Dibateg) came up with a good method of achieving a tight fitting roof that is removable on his Stanier 4P, which has a similar cab and roof. First, the sides of the roof below the rain strip are cut off and a length of 2x1mm brass L section soldered to the upper edge to represent the rain strip. This is positioned to overhang the roof. The cut off roof pieces are then soldered in place either side and the central roof part is then shaped as normal to match the curve of the cab front and back. Some trimming and filing was needed to get a good fit, but once achieved it can be sprung in and out under the rain strips giving a tight fitting front and back. In 4mm scale you could probably do it with 1x1mm strip, although it might look better if the vertical part of the L section was filed down. Anyway, enough bla bla, here are the pictures. T'other side. Most of the cast parts needed to complete the model were available commercially and those that weren't were scratch built, or in some cases modified from castings, most notably the chimney which is from an Ivatt class 2. And a view from the front. The brake and steam heat pipes are scratch built and the couplings are by Dapol. They are somewhat generic in appearance but quite cheap compared to cast offerings and are ready to use. This was my first experience of your kits and a really enjoyable build. Hopefully I'll get to build some more in the future All the best and stay healthy. Cheers, Peter 15 24 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted March 22, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 22, 2020 Very good, I had problems with clearances under the tanks with the 4mm one but the holes carved out don't show. Thanks very much for posting this, glad you enjoyed building it - and don't forget this was only a test etch, not a worked up kit. We do have some production 4mm Stanier 3P etches now, just need to work out the price. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Just an observation - steam heat pipes are smooth not ribbed. That is how you can tell the difference in poor light. A cracking model. Gordon A 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Gordon A said: Just an observation - steam heat pipes are smooth not ribbed. That is how you can tell the difference in poor light. A cracking model. Gordon A Pedantic clarification. Diesel steam heat pipes are ribbed. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAD Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 23 hours ago, Gordon A said: Just an observation - steam heat pipes are smooth not ribbed. That is how you can tell the difference in poor light. A cracking model. Gordon A Hi Gordon, Just had a quick look in one or two books on LMS locos and can find plenty of illustrations showing locos with ribbed steam pipes. These shots of 2500 taken at the NRM also show ribbed steam pipes so I am not sure you correct. I haven't spent any time looking, but I dare say it would be possible to find examples that are smooth as well, but I'm happy with the ones I've fitted. Cheers, Peter 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 23 hours ago, Gordon A said: Just an observation - steam heat pipes are smooth not ribbed. That is how you can tell the difference in poor light. A cracking model. Gordon A More to the point, the bags were taken off the steam pipes during the summer. April till September IIRC. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted March 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2020 Are you still planning on some fittings with the 3p as previously said or is it just the etches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted March 23, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2020 We are looking at supplying the chimney and smokebox door, which as far as I know aren't available from anyone else, and I also have mould for the firebox back. The chimney is proving a little difficult to mould, failure rate is very high so far, the other two are easy. All other fittings are available from Gibson, Comet, Brassmasters or 247. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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