Judith Edge kits

[Michael Edge]

15 minutes ago, Mike G said:

HI Mike

I sent payment Saturday, have I been lucky to get the 3P etches? 

 

regards

 

Mike G

Yes, you got next to the last, in the post tomorrow.

[Jub45565]

Hi Mike (E),

 

This is probably me being thick, so apologies in advance - but could you explain how the ashpan fit please?  From Peter 'PAD's build on Western Thunder, "The ashpan side parts had to be cut to fit them, as Mike had designed them to be fitted before assembling the frames and there was now a spacer in the way. No bother, but I'll need to add some metal behind the lightening holes to represent the the lower firebox sides. I've also added a bottom piece made from spare metal from the boiler sheet."

 

I appreciate that was both a 7mm version and a test etch, but looking through the parts and drawing there still seems to be a conflict between that frame spacer and the ashpan?

 

One for the parts list Stanley is that they could have separate top feed and dome, or combined. Both options are available from Millholme Models/Stevensons Carriages (not sure if they do the correct dome though).

[Stanley Melrose]

52 minutes ago, 45609 said:

Buffers from Lanarkshire Models and Supplies.

 

LB05A but will need a spacer plate under the flange

or

 

LB08 but will need a small tread plate on the top of each body

 

Alan Gibson

 

4M789 LMS piston valve guides

 

 

Cheers...Morgan

 

 

 

Apologies to Dave Franks but I confess I was only looking for sprung buffers.  As for some of my conjectures, it's tricky looking at catalogues with inadequate descriptions and no illustrations on which to make better judgements . . .

 

Fort instance, the Markits catalogue that I accessed is over 7 years old and may contain items no longer available - the prices will almost certainly be different.  The Alan Gibson catalogue is 2 years old.  This is not to criticise those two stalwart suppliers from whom I have had excellent service but to excuse any errors in the table I posted earlier.

 

Stan

[Jub45565]

For Markits, where the old catalogue is useful is for the images of what they are.  I then go to the 247 website who stock, and list, most of it and have their current prices.

[Mike G]

1 hour ago, Michael Edge said:

Yes, you got next to the last, in the post tomorrow.

Cheers Mike - best news of the week.

 

Mike

[Michael Edge]

11 hours ago, Jub45565 said:

Hi Mike (E),

 

This is probably me being thick, so apologies in advance - but could you explain how the ashpan fit please?  From Peter 'PAD's build on Western Thunder, "The ashpan side parts had to be cut to fit them, as Mike had designed them to be fitted before assembling the frames and there was now a spacer in the way. No bother, but I'll need to add some metal behind the lightening holes to represent the the lower firebox sides. I've also added a bottom piece made from spare metal from the boiler sheet."

 

I appreciate that was both a 7mm version and a test etch, but looking through the parts and drawing there still seems to be a conflict between that frame spacer and the ashpan?

 

One for the parts list Stanley is that they could have separate top feed and dome, or combined. Both options are available from Millholme Models/Stevensons Carriages (not sure if they do the correct dome though).

Fit the ashpan sides inside the frames before assembly, there's a slot in them for the spacer to fit through.

Strictly speaking there wasn't a "combined dome and top feed", this is just a partly dome shaped top feed cover, the boilers are domeless.

[Jub45565]

Thanks Mike - it was me being thick - I was looking at the firebox wrapper! I see them now.

 

Good point.

 

 

 

[Michael Edge]

The ashpan was one of the modifications for the production etch, as noted by PAD for the 7mm version.

[Michael Edge]

Last instalment on the LNER C14.

More or less finished, coupling rods tried on, brakes, sand and balance weights added. The Romford wheel nuts are covered with small discs cut from insulation tape with a leather punch.

Frames painted, wheels cleaned, coupling rods fitted permanently now and motor/gearbox fitted.

Buffers fitted now after grit blasting - this isn't to leave them bright, steam loco buffers weren't, but because the grit gets in and gums them up. Photo reminds me that I still have few smokebox rivets to add with Super Steel epoxy. The loco runs perfectly round my vicious 28" radius test track reverse curve, proving that huge cutouts for the bogie and trailing wheels are completely unnecessary. The trailing internal pony truck (to match the radial axleboxes of the full size loco) tracks perfectly. I have no real use for this loco but I suppose it might make an appearance now and again at Brunswick.

We'll put this etch into production as soon as everything gets back to something like normal.

[D-A-T]

Put me down for a C14 please. 

[PAD]

12 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

Fit the ashpan sides inside the frames before assembly, there's a slot in them for the spacer to fit through.

Strictly speaking there wasn't a "combined dome and top feed", this is just a partly dome shaped top feed cover, the boilers are domeless.

Hi Mike ,

I  could be wrong but I don't think the ashpan sides should be flush with the inner face of the frames. If they were, there would be no room between the front edges of ashpan and the rear spring hangers on the middle axle. I  set the sides inboard of frames so I could fit the scratched up plastic laminates to the springs. It's  not a critical point, but I think even in 4mm, the appearance would be improved by setting them inboard a little This could be done by soldering them to the spacer before fitting.

Cheers,

Peter

Edited March 30, 2020 by PAD
Typo

[Michael Edge]

That's why the lower part of the ashpan below the frame is half etched - to give the impression that it's spaced away from the inside face of the frame. This isn't really very visible in 4mm scale anyway but easy enough to do what you suggest.

[Wolfy]

On 28/03/2020 at 12:04, Michael Edge said:

First batch of Stanier 3P etches all gone now, please don't send any more payments. We will get some more as soon as we can but who knows when that will be in the present circumstances?

 

Can I put my name down for a set of 3P etches when they are back in stock?

[Michael Edge]

Added to the growing list...

[Daniel W]

Apologies if this has been asked before, Michael, but is there a particular reason for not producing the Stanier and Fowler 3Ps as full kits? I would assume that the number of castings required has something to do with it. Combined with the possibility of getting undercut by RTR producers?

 

Part of the reason i ask is because i saw an Alan Gibson kit for a Fowler 3P 2-6-2t recently sell for £210 on ebay. Admittedly, it had a wheel set and a motor, but even so, there must be demand for full kits of that prototype.

[iak]

I can safely say I would like at least one C14.

That is one fine looking beastie.

[Michael Edge]

8 hours ago, Daniel W said:

Apologies if this has been asked before, Michael, but is there a particular reason for not producing the Stanier and Fowler 3Ps as full kits? I would assume that the number of castings required has something to do with it. Combined with the possibility of getting undercut by RTR producers?

 

Part of the reason i ask is because i saw an Alan Gibson kit for a Fowler 3P 2-6-2t recently sell for £210 on ebay. Admittedly, it had a wheel set and a motor, but even so, there must be demand for full kits of that prototype.

Put simply, I don't have an infinite amount of time available. It takes a lot more time and effort to produce a fully worked up kit, the easy bit is producing and selling the etched parts.

In the last 18 years we have expanded from nothing to a range of more than 50 kits, we have also done many of these in different scales - and this isn't even my full time job.

The range of "etches only" grew out of my selling off (via RMweb actually) some spare etches which I had produced for my own use and this promptly snowballed into a significant part of Judith's business. While there is a demand for these etches we will keep on supplying them.

[t-b-g]

On 30/03/2020 at 21:05, PAD said:

Hi Mike ,

I  could be wrong but I don't think the ashpan sides should be flush with the inner face of the frames. If they were, there would be no room between the front edges of ashpan and the rear spring hangers on the middle axle. I  set the sides inboard of frames so I could fit the scratched up plastic laminates to the springs. It's  not a critical point, but I think even in 4mm, the appearance would be improved by setting them inboard a little This could be done by soldering them to the spacer before fitting.

Cheers,

Peter

 

Sorry to be critical but are you sure you haven't  built that one upside down?

[Barry O]

1 minute ago, t-b-g said:

 

Sorry to be critical but are you sure you haven't  built that one upside down?

Its for a layout in Australia

 

Baz

[t-b-g]

1 minute ago, Barry O said:

Its for a layout in Australia

 

Baz

 

Of course! Why didn't I spot that?

[t-b-g]

On 30/03/2020 at 17:23, Michael Edge said:

Last instalment on the LNER C14.

More or less finished, coupling rods tried on, brakes, sand and balance weights added. The Romford wheel nuts are covered with small discs cut from insulation tape with a leather punch.

Frames painted, wheels cleaned, coupling rods fitted permanently now and motor/gearbox fitted.

Buffers fitted now after grit blasting - this isn't to leave them bright, steam loco buffers weren't, but because the grit gets in and gums them up. Photo reminds me that I still have few smokebox rivets to add with Super Steel epoxy. The loco runs perfectly round my vicious 28" radius test track reverse curve, proving that huge cutouts for the bogie and trailing wheels are completely unnecessary. The trailing internal pony truck (to match the radial axleboxes of the full size loco) tracks perfectly. I have no real use for this loco but I suppose it might make an appearance now and again at Brunswick.

We'll put this etch into production as soon as everything gets back to something like normal.

 

Hello Mike. If you have a list for the C14 I would love to have my name on it for 4mm and 7mm scales if it could be done in both. Another lovely GCR loco to add to the kit drawer!

 

I presume you have scrounged the chimney and dome from the spares box. They look close but to me they don't  quite capture the appearance of the real thing as well as the rest of the loco. I know time is a big factor but with your turning ability, I am sure you could get them much better.

[Michael Edge]

They are near enough for me, after all I don't really need this loco. No idea where they came from though.

[65179]

They look like N5/J10 fittings so possibly whoever does them?

[PenrithBeacon]

1 hour ago, 65179 said:

They look like N5/J10 fittings so possibly whoever does them?

SEF

[MartinWales]

16 hours ago, Daniel W said:

Apologies if this has been asked before, Michael, but is there a particular reason for not producing the Stanier and Fowler 3Ps as full kits? I would assume that the number of castings required has something to do with it. Combined with the possibility of getting undercut by RTR producers?

 

Part of the reason i ask is because i saw an Alan Gibson kit for a Fowler 3P 2-6-2t recently sell for £210 on ebay. Admittedly, it had a wheel set and a motor, but even so, there must be demand for full kits of that prototype.

Have you tried Colin Seymour at Gibson. Some kits are produced in small batches and it may be worth enquiring as to the why and wherefore?