Judith Edge kits

[Michael Edge]

That's still a long way off, I have another one to build from the test etch before I get round to production. The first one has now gone to Ian Rathbone for painting.

[Jack P]

On 29/07/2020 at 03:04, Michael Edge said:

That's still a long way off, I have another one to build from the test etch before I get round to production. The first one has now gone to Ian Rathbone for painting.

 

I'm sure you're not taking expressions of interest yet, but (especially after seeing the built model), I'd certainly put my hand up for a C14 kit. 

Edited July 29, 2020 by Jack P

[MJI]

I do need to finish this.

 

[Michael Edge]

Doesn't look as if there's much left to do!

[MJI]

Handrails wasp stripes and quartering. I remembered your short lesson on one axle at a time.

 

Then on with more Cambrian departmental and a modified Dapol crane kit.

[MJI]

What make hand rail knobs do you use?

 

I have had one ping off to an umnown place and I think I need 3 more for another hand rail.

[96701]

2 hours ago, MJI said:

What make hand rail knobs do you use?

 

I have had one ping off to an umnown place and I think I need 3 more for another hand rail.

What size wire do you use for the handrails? I bought a huge amount in a pack of 0.45mm handrail knobs and probably have more than I need.

 

[Michael Edge]

Handrail pillars are from Markits, M4HRKS1.2, wire size varies but 0.5mm for the ones fitted in pillars. This is slightly overscale (0.45mm is nearer) for most handrails but looks better in the overscale pillars in my opinion.

[Michael Edge]

We're still busy sending kits out and stocks are a bit better now but I've had time to finish another 7mm test etch.

The nearest available Slater's wheels are a bit small so the production version will be altered to give the correct ride height, it's a bit low at the moment. Construction is the same as the 4mm one but without the motor bogie option. Buffers are resin for now but will be lost wax castings. No cab interior details, I wasn't able to get inside either No2 or no10 to find out what they look like - there was no room in the 4mm one to do anything much anyway.

Close up of the pantograph, works very well and not too fiddly to build. Nobody has bought one of these yet in either 4mm or 7mm scales to use on a tram, which is where they came from after the Sunderland system was abandoned.

We don't intend to provide any drive components but it's not difficult to arrange. There is an inner frame carrying the wheels with the usual compensation option and the folded back version of the n20 motor/gearbox bolts neatly into the side frame with two plastic spur gears to the axle. Two of these would have made a very prototypical drive arrangement but one has more than enough power so the compensated axle is chain driven.

View from underneath, pickups are a bit fiddly and short but seem to work OK.

[cheesysmith]

Those U shaped motor/gearbox units look like a viable way of having individual axle mounted motors in O gauge. They fit between the wheels well enough. 

[PenrithBeacon]

22 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

 

 

We don't intend to provide any drive components but it's not difficult to arrange. There is an inner frame carrying the wheels with the usual compensation option and the folded back version of the n20 motor/gearbox bolts neatly into the side frame with two plastic spur gears to the axle. Two of these would have made a very prototypical drive arrangement but one has more than enough power so the compensated axle is chain driven.

View from underneath, pickups are a bit fiddly and short but seem to work OK.

Do you have a link to eBay for those motors, Micheal

Thanks

[Michael Edge]

Not really, they come up from various sellers, I just do a Google search for 12vDC motors or something like that. This configuration is usually more expensive (less cheap?) than the inline version. Different sellers advertise them for voltages between 3 and 12 but I've never found any actual difference between them, there are different gear ratios in the inline version but all of these I've seen have been the lowest ratio. In 7mm it doesn't go very fast but this sort of loco would probably only do about 25mph anyway.

One more comment about the loco, it's a more or less standard Siemens product and was available as a battery loco as well - if you want one of these just leave the pantograph off.

[chris p bacon]

11 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said:

Do you have a link to eBay for those motors, Micheal

Thanks

 Try these 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GA1024-N20-M4-3V-6V-12V-30-60-100RPM-DC-Micro-Speed-Reduction-Gear-Motor/154022933778?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item23dc7b7512:g:AacAAOSw9INfHwIJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACYBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkxGz2ccqatkEnoeekHqhLkUoy7DuIcG6SiKoBQR5MM5ag%2F46BXDLSs18a59HUwBNE9d55EjWdfOkEazIz3Lt%2BbBRUos2pChgFgWsQ%2FFL1sGqki9oUZkzKIP5Y2J9G9sB%2Fl09qJalvULcOXbDUR0F7MB5UjTwgiYP52glH1c0bZbMdZM66q3espa6C2BhRjRhYdr4gn6U2mHF6Pev1G6xHvQnhHCC%2BP%2FcoUkVJyaQm0k9Gkn3C4Vpn6tHxqSAnQsVafMDzmd5tCqwn8SpA%2BkeZbng%2BLRsw5UWDQCL935U40IuyF65z84vdOxO8w51vly6X7WE0loHKocDQdxuXzP4jO2dDzOvbM2GAZz6i2gdiT5XpfoQtmMwMNjAw4AmpHrUzBhJr6QEhw6A%2BW3niQjNEeWjoen75%2Fd0Ua%2FjWXe%2Fh4qYByYhiRVL3Z7uDTaomPROn0zre0YBrfGyFMn3hIRcwNQVVHtHvfxyluXSJDaUqdWWrr4q4OIrWCFqs1xDodaENo8fGafrrKjQI9Tqrh0fa7Y2jirsPFLKK7X6XkZpLq2nF3NIFybyttfq9%2B1J9H3xgMrNQtDFDs6Thsk6jDwG%2Fx2ebFQJb%2BpJ%2BBZGFip2QSWsoY%2FEU7p6%2B1Ad8BdmebazBEG6QkS0q1gW0xSQ%2BLwLnrkMzpDUJS7RSD4A%2BVC02xe74Jc8tDsRo1vMf6OCBsQTo2iZ0ifF3LjnLX84fkd8DwHRwbWK2Eb5tAkUciWj6Qa7KOoGDDcwLNp5%2BoSj63cFS|cksum%3A1540229337783f90b42eca3d4e92846461f045629b7e|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524

or these

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2018-DC12V-Micro-U-Typ-Inversion-Speed-Reduction-Gear-Box-Motor-N20-60-1000RPM/392913173793?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item5b7b733d21:g:Ry8AAOSwXV1bFj2m&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACYBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkyMJZWL%2BqFSgQ3TOOe%2FNr7poy6ZVr9Vv55AFb8bKKIWRpFsNBxreGNd8%2FO6i%2BRk8%2BL5EZyYgw4zFna2122sGMwWLT3%2BL6HaLMuvg6hIr3sOcFRja36clVA%2F3RgTybCGBxKgTKPLcRrrBXx88rFeHxGyEvL%2B61z2EIR4%2FlHAixQ%2FFFFGpIuagLeCvwetOE2Qqka6E9R%2BWyRNK8GrJR0eVp4l%2FecaBujeJajp%2Bvhb7Ne8X2UCq3O0FMkb49VnjW0fTan3af1mIM%2BKwHYrz%2Bz6f2ONUj6RYk4YH%2B5i7ysKIE8CL2vrkq%2Fk1IQFaOM1gKbkvNDKvGf3544sF0lBg%2BVghppbIsOvRuOUjvqfqOCpqK9qrsXSk7uQbBGJmrvX6cD19nbS1Yg6MkN59Xmw6CvMmt2iyhL7IdJAqbT9VGrh7KM7mP1KCeQHsx6gWNhxtNjH7Hw3xmR0JWjoHaYrOaYVsyRJfs%2BC6%2BqRHurEvSiA8s9VVpqkCJAmMpGuSye1N64pH%2B%2FV6hQt66RHLAFuy%2BYmKkPy4Yo8Im69NLsBdQbWXg56hoqRe6gTP3rrOwH6sOp%2BFkkgJ%2Fsuj3XDkO%2FalYLn4W6OXeAl2%2FHdMBnYANVIg0gg8Ij1O%2B5runrhhqzbSPiNBDhOhsvtIhVrEWNMHlmENcHdV6bSxtDKGAiat44BnagccE9PMqTRbcPtOCAFV7obmFpWuXwwHjo4JGjd6fUlOFawR2LkHmGjqlog6mireESp5oo%2BFXs9yyqc%2B%2FzulP9Lmq|cksum%3A3929131737935869e554b0ee4252a85e0baa4e4ce4cc|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524

 

I just search for 'N20 12V motor' on ebay and all sorts of combinations come up.

[truffy]

16 minutes ago, chris p bacon said:

 Try these 

[snip]

or these

[snip]

 

I just search for 'N20 12V motor' on ebay and all sorts of combinations come up.

And the problem with the handy-dandy texty linky thing is...?

 

Try these or these

 

(posted on a phone just to prove a petty point in the internet)

[Barry O]

Just now, truffy said:

And the problem with the handy-dandy texty linky thing is...?

 

Try these or these

 

(posted on a phone just to prove a petty point in the internet)

You can't pick and paste with "these"

[truffy]

1 minute ago, Barry O said:

You can't pick and paste with "these"

Huh? I just did. Or have I missed the point?

[PenrithBeacon]

59 minutes ago, chris p bacon said:

 Try these 

..

I just search for 'N20 12V motor' on ebay and all sorts of combinations come up.

I would guess that neither of these are suitable, the first because the drive shaft is much too long, the second because the output rpm is much too low.

But I suppose you did have a point to prove.

[Ruston]

1 hour ago, PenrithBeacon said:

I would guess that neither of these are suitable, the first because the drive shaft is much too long, the second because the output rpm is much too low.

But I suppose you did have a point to prove.

Just cut the shaft down. Even with the short shafts you sometimes have to cut them down anyway. The link, above, gives a choice of RPM. 200 or 300 seems to be suitable in my experience.

[Michael Edge]

300 is fine with 1:1 final drive, certainly for a small shunting loco.

[Enterprisingwestern]

2 hours ago, truffy said:

And the problem with the handy-dandy texty linky thing is...?

 

Try these or these

 

(posted on a phone just to prove a petty point in the internet)

 

We're not all as clever as you.

 

Mike.

[PenrithBeacon]

1 hour ago, Michael Edge said:

300 is fine with 1:1 final drive, certainly for a small shunting loco.

Thanks for that Michael the sort of opinion I was looking for. As I prefer to work in BPRC this motor in 6V would probably be better for me

EDIT that attachment didn't work too well, sorry. eBay doesn't seem to allow users to share via a phone's memory. I'll have to work that one out for the future.

 

Edited September 27, 2020 by PenrithBeacon
Finger trouble

[chris p bacon]

3 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

I would guess that neither of these are suitable, the first because the drive shaft is much too long, the second because the output rpm is much too low.

But I suppose you did have a point to prove.

 

???

 

FFS, What with posting a link that apparently was too long and the above comment, I don't think I'll bother trying to help anymore. 

[truffy]

1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

We're not all as clever as you.

 

There's nothing particularly clever about using what's right in front of you on the toolbar. Unless you have 'Bojo clevers'.

 

 

The full toolbar isn't available on a smartphone, but that button is one that makes the cut.

Edited September 27, 2020 by truffy
clarification

[PenrithBeacon]

4 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

Thanks for that Michael the sort of opinion I was looking for. As I prefer to work in BPRC this motor in 6V would probably be better for me

EDIT that attachment didn't work too well, sorry. eBay doesn't seem to allow users to share via a phone's memory. I'll have to work that one out for the future.

 

Now I'm on the desktop I can copy and paste the right page from eBay. This is the one I bought earlier

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3V-6V-12V-DC-Micro-U-Typ-Inversion-Speed-Reduction-Gear-Box-Motor-N20-15-4000RPM/202275432836?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=502241023312&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

It has a very catchy URL!

[New Haven Neil]

25 mph would not have been a comfortable ride on 2 or 10 - I regularly rode them as a teenager, 15 mph was a wild ride!  There wasn't much more than a central control stand and brake in the cab, I have had a look for photos but no longer have any that show anything of use, sorry.