Karhedron Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 There does not seem to be any official announcement from Peco about this but they are all showing as discontinued on the Hattons webpage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted October 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2011 Shame but not really a surprise. I bet that like the Peco Jubilee they will be around for sometime yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 There does not seem to be any official announcement from Peco about this but they are all showing as discontinued on the Hattons webpage. Does it actually mean "Peco will no longer be producing them" or simply "Hattons will no longer stock them"?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Postings on the Yahoo N Gauge Forum indicate that it has been abandoned by Peco - another brillant decision down at Beer. Can only wonder how many more they would have sold (and would sell in the future) if it had the more common tender and no dcc decoder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 The traders at TADrail this afternoon had several. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Maybe it's a case of Peco knowing they cannot compete with Dapol and Bachmann in turning out models - how long I wonder did it take Peco to get this locomotive to market and whether they are best placed to develop more models at a price that will sell. If I remember when these came out they were certainly a premium product against even new toolings from either of the other manufacturers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Neither of those factors were likely to have played a significant part. However the manufacturing cost of producing something like this in the UK almost certainly has ... Fitting a £35 decoder can't have helped though as I couldn't imagine Lenz giving them a massive discount on them. They pre-empted the digital takeup a bit with it too and in the wrong scale. A Chinese made with one the correct tender and a simple DC setup probably would have been better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Al Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 I'm not sure there's any news in this story at all. The Peco 2251 was made in a batch (or several of different liveries depending how you want to look at it) - this batch is still not sold out, so Peco are simply not producing any more at this time. It doesn't hardly affect availability at present - there are still plenty of opportunities to buy one brand new. I would suspect once sold out and demand for new ones starts to rise again that Peco will reconsider. This is what they did with the Jubilees - there were long gaps between production runs. Cheers, Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 Do Peco actually make this themselves, and where? IIRC the Jubilee was made by Rivarossi. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Do Peco actually make this themselves, and where? IIRC the Jubilee was made by Rivarossi. Ed As I heard it, they are in effect hand assembled in house at Beer. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim V Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Since when was Peco a smaller supplier? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Since when was Peco a smaller supplier? Well they aren't one of the other categories and they certainly don't produce enough new stuff to get a category of their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted October 16, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2011 Since when was Peco a smaller supplier? For locos = yes, for wagons = maybe, for buildings & kits = no, for trackwork = definitely not. Kevin Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Andy did touch on Peco's 'status' on the forum a little bit here: http://www.rmweb.co....__fromsearch__1 Not sure if he ever got anywhere engaging more with them though. That thread is from much earlier in the year and there's been no change, so I'm suspecting not. Only a minor problem though - as long as their new releases get mentioned by someone on here then we can chug along as is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreamnos Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Had a look today at Hatton's website and they have 4 in the shirtbutton livery in stock and they are taking pre-orders for the BR late crest version. I always thought this was a very attractive model and was tempted to buy several times, but it was just too expensive, I suspect at least in part because of the DCC decoder fitted. Since I don't run DCC and doubt I ever will I could never justify spending the price premium for something I would never use. If Peco had offered a version without the decoder for a lower price I likely would have sprung for one. As it was, Union Mills got more of my business. (Yes, I know UM don't do GW locos but I don't care.) Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wobblybob Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Like you Matt, I feel the inclusion of the decoder makes the loco just too expensive for a DC operation like mine. If Peco produced one without the decoder and lowered the price, I would certainly buy one. I imagine that without the need to provide space for the decoder it might be possible to produce the local with the smaller - and prototypically more common - tender. Just a thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJP Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Yet another vote for the "No DCC Chip, smaller, more accurate tender" here... Unfortunately, when Peco released the 2251, the price was a killer. Back then, N Gauge locos rarely got near £100, let alone comfortably over it like 2251 was, that, along with the fact that DCC wasn't massively popular, especially in N Gauge made it a very unlikely purchase for most people... It certainly stopped me (that and the fact I use one of Gaugemaster's high-frequency track cleaners which fries DCC chips). If they'd released a non-DCC version with a correct tender for sub-£100, I would have bought one instantly. Ross Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 As I understand it there's nothing incorrect about the tender, it's just that it's an exceedingly uncommon (but not unknown) pairing with the 2251. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted October 21, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2011 And another thing.Those shiny chrome wheels look horrible alongside modern models from other makes (even worse than the unpainted wheels on some Dapol locos). It seems everyone is agreed on the DCC chip issue,will Peco take note? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Not sure if he ever got anywhere engaging more with them though. That thread is from much earlier in the year and there's been no change, so I'm suspecting not. I did mention it; when I found their stand in keeping with the stealth tactics tucked away almost hidden. However I was somewhat surprised to see Pritchard Patent Products have a facebook page. I don't think they did it though! Twitter will be something that the Beer birds do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted October 21, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 21, 2011 It seems everyone is agreed on the DCC chip issue,will Peco take note? Peco made a very brave decision to go down the DCC only route, and whilst not everyone is going to be happy about this Peco won't be the last company to do it, I suspect that it will only be a matter of time before this happens again, then again and again. I haven't bought a 22xx because I can't afford one and they were somewhat scarce in the far South West not because of the DCC provision, this is a draw for me not a detraction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 As I understand it there's nothing incorrect about the tender, it's just that it's an exceedingly uncommon (but not unknown) pairing with the 2251. I think that is correct. The Peco model is a fair representation of the high-sided Collett 3500 gallon "Intermediate" tender. I have not been able to find a conclusive comprehensive list of which locos ran with these high-sided tenders and photos seem to be a bit elusive but from my notes and photos I have identified the following locos as having run with one of these tenders at some point. 3207, 2204, 2232 and 2294 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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