WISBECH AND UPWELL

[rue_d_etropal]

When it comes to promoting products the other magazines quite often promote products from companies who advertise in that magazine.On the whole RM and CM keep it balanced. They can't just ignore Peco products, but I think with the new grass applicator it might have been nice to see it compared to others in the article. There was also a review.

 

I also stopped getting RM a few years ago as I felt it was starting to repeat itself, but came back when I noticeed it now looked a lot fresher, and reviews are kept to a resonable length. Even though some grumble about how long new r2r products take to come out, there are always a lot of new products, so finding room to review them is not easy. It is always worth while sending any products you produce. If they are interesting then you will get a mention in the magazine, but it might take a while. The problem I have is that I have too many new items, and often have moved onto to something new by the time they appear in magazine.

[EddieB]

To back up Stewart's post,"Todeller" was an affectionate nickname, widely used, and still to be found in many quarters.  At the time it was first used, there were other magazines that tended to be more serious (or take themselves more seriously) - whilst RM styled itself as being "For The Average Modeller" - and best represented an entry-level into the hobby.

 

Over time the other magazines went by the wayside and new titles appeared.  RM largely stuck to the same formula, which gives it an endearing and enduring familiarity.  Nowadays the rival non-specialist magazines pitch towards the "dumbed down" end of the market compared to RM, but the nickname has stuck.

[RANGERS]

To back up Stewart's post,"Todeller" was an affectionate nickname, widely used, and still to be found in many quarters.  At the time it was first used, there were other magazines that tended to be more serious (or take themselves more seriously) - whilst RM styled itself as being "For The Average Modeller" - and best represented an entry-level into the hobby.

 

Over time the other magazines went by the wayside and new titles appeared.  RM largely stuck to the same formula, which gives it an endearing and enduring familiarity.  Nowadays the rival non-specialist magazines pitch towards the "dumbed down" end of the market compared to RM, but the nickname has stuck.

And amongst all the discussion about the trade press, is there any update on the W&U tram which started it all in the first place?!!

[rue_d_etropal]

one of the dangers of getting into 3d design work is that it can get pushed  to the back when you need to get on with other work. Fine if all you intend is to build yourself a model.but 3D printing has so much potential,and too many shout it down because they want something they can take out of the box and do very little to it. That is not good for the hobby. If that is what some want, then they should expect to pay a much higher price.

Having said that the other big advantage of 3D printing is ease with which it is possibleto have models in many different scales. No longer are we limited to what the big boys offer, we have more freedom, which is why I am pursuing British HO at he moment(alongside other scales, themes and periods/locations).

 

For drawings it does surprise me that the GER society only has drawings of the older 040 tram loco,and the bogie coach. was there not a 2 axle coach as well,(basis for Henrietta in Thomas stories), which I think was used in Titfield Thunderbolt film, and then scrapped. I did find a photo/copy of a 060 tram loco online, copy from book, maybe the Wild swan book. It has enough detail and dimentions to work from, so I may ontinue with my own version, if there is no likelihood of the one above being done in HO scale.

Was there not also a double ended(?) sentinel shunter on the line?

Anyway on the 'Toddler' name issue, I have never in over 40 years heard to RM referred to as that. Yes, it is referred to as the 'Modeller'. Suspect it is within those inwardly looking circles of modellers/collectors who expect every blade of grass to be right size, but will expect punters to wait hours for anything to move on their exhibition layouts.

[robert17649]

one of the dangers of getting into 3d design work is that it can get pushed  to the back when you need to get on with other work. Fine if all you intend is to build yourself a model.but 3D printing has so much potential,and too many shout it down because they want something they can take out of the box and do very little to it. That is not good for the hobby. If that is what some want, then they should expect to pay a much higher price.

Having said that the other big advantage of 3D printing is ease with which it is possibleto have models in many different scales. No longer are we limited to what the big boys offer, we have more freedom, which is why I am pursuing British HO at he moment(alongside other scales, themes and periods/locations).

 

For drawings it does surprise me that the GER society only has drawings of the older 040 tram loco,and the bogie coach. was there not a 2 axle coach as well,(basis for Henrietta in Thomas stories), which I think was used in Titfield Thunderbolt film, and then scrapped. I did find a photo/copy of a 060 tram loco online, copy from book, maybe the Wild swan book. It has enough detail and dimentions to work from, so I may ontinue with my own version, if there is no likelihood of the one above being done in HO scale.

Was there not also a double ended(?) sentinel shunter on the line?

Anyway on the 'Toddler' name issue, I have never in over 40 years heard to RM referred to as that. Yes, it is referred to as the 'Modeller'. Suspect it is within those inwardly looking circles of modellers/collectors who expect every blade of grass to be right size, but will expect punters to wait hours for anything to move on their exhibition layouts.

  There was for a while, actually there were as the LNER got two double cab Y10 Sentinels which got the sack as they apparently made loads of sparks and weren't up to the heavy fruit traffic,they were i think transferred to Yarmouth quay.

[ossygobbin]

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Anyway on the 'Toddler' name issue, I have never in over 40 years heard to RM referred to as that. Yes, it is referred to as the 'Modeller'. Suspect it is within those inwardly looking circles of modellers/collectors who expect every blade of grass to be right size, but will expect punters to wait hours for anything to move on their exhibition layouts.

i have referred to the modeller as the toddler for years and i am not one of those people you refer to.

[NickBrad]

  There was for a while, actually there were as the LNER got two double cab Y10 Sentinels which got the sack as they apparently made loads of sparks and weren't up to the heavy fruit traffic,they were i think transferred to Yarmouth quay.

 

Yes, you are right about the Y10, it was not suited to the line and did not stay very long. Less well known is that a single cab Y1 was also tested on the line, but the stay was very brief due to being, somewhat predictably in hindsight, even less well suited to the workload. Considering the restrictions placed on the engines for the line, I find it surprising that the Sentinels were allowed in the first place, although I guess by the time they came along, automobiles were becoming a little more common and so the risk of spooking horses had lessened. 

[bécasse]

To back up Stewart's post,"Todeller" was an affectionate nickname, widely used, and still to be found in many quarters.  At the time it was first used, there were other magazines that tended to be more serious (or take themselves more seriously) - whilst RM styled itself as being "For The Average Modeller" - and best represented an entry-level into the hobby.

 

Over time the other magazines went by the wayside and new titles appeared.  RM largely stuck to the same formula, which gives it an endearing and enduring familiarity.  Nowadays the rival non-specialist magazines pitch towards the "dumbed down" end of the market compared to RM, but the nickname has stuck.

 

I can certainly vouch for the fact that the term "Todeller" was in regular usage by serious model railway enthusiasts as early as 1960 (when I joined The Model Railway Club) and almost certainly earlier. My strong suspicion is that the term referred not to its content, after all Cyril Freezer was an MRC country member at the time, but to it being the youngster among the model railway magazines, Model Railway News dating from the 1920s and Model Railway Constructor from the 1930s, whereas RM first appeared (within the Ian Allan stable at the time) in the very late 1940s.

[DLT]

To back up Stewart's post,"Todeller" was an affectionate nickname, widely used, and still to be found in many quarters.  

 

Quite so, its a term in wide use, and never (as far as I have known) in any sort of derogatory or critical manner.

Amongst modellers of my acquaintance, I have heard nicknames for many magazines.

[rue_d_etropal]

as a term for being the new kid on the block, then 'toddler' makes sence, but it is not a name I have heard anywhere in 40 years.  suspect that, although it was originally not intended as being negative, some in the hobby might have used it that way more recently, and the way some talk about any railway modelling that is not finescale, I think it might not  be such a compliment. Everyone will always deny it when asked .

[RANGERS]

Mods - Maybe time to call time on this thread, the most recent posts have absolutely nothing to do with the title.

[south_tyne]

I have recently had a 7mm version of the J70 printed as shown below (scaled up from the 4mm version). As it was larger I've printed some of the parts like window frames and buffers separately, it also has complete skirts fitted.

 

 

The model has the same detail as the 4mm version.

 

 

 

I have also drawn and ordered a 4mm class 04 as a complete bodyshell to fit on the Bachmann chassis and scaled it up so it could be printed in 7mm (or any scale in between).

 

 

 

 

I can make these available for sale from Shapeways and will do once Ive checked and painted the ones I have printed already.

 

Regards

Simon.

Back to the original topic......

 

Simon, is there any update on these projects or no news at the moment? I'm 'chomping at the bit' for a 7mm scale tram loco

[Corbs]

As above, I'd love to print a 4mm scale version of the J70 and Drewry

[Windjabbers]

I would also be interested in these. Would be a perfect for my current project:- http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/117358-middle-fen-drove/

 

The 7mm also looks very tempting.

 

Best Wishes

David

[simon br blue]

Just an update on the tram models.  Hopefully I'll get time to check some measurements and finish a couple of bits off over Christmas then I can make them available for sale.

 

I've also done a bit more drawing recently and come up with the following-

 

Y6 tram

 

 

W&U coach

 

 

W&U bogie coach

 

 

 

I should be able to make them all available in 4mm or 7mm (and possibly others if required - HO will be a bit more difficult as thicknesses are set up for the minimum in 4mm).

 

Simon.

[Tony Davis]

Now that is good news!

[Corbs]

Simon, if you make the J70 and bogie coach available I promise I will print at least one of each.

[Steamport Southport]

Mods - Maybe time to call time on this thread, the most recent posts have absolutely nothing to do with the title.

 

I've never understood that rationale.

 

Threads go off topic from time to time. It's not a big deal.

 

 

But when you lock a thread, then you then end up with multiple threads when one would suffice. Then you have to spend hours looking for information that should take a few minutes.

 

 

 

Unless it's the OP wants the thread closed for whatever reason, then fair enough.

 

 

 

 

Jason

[Edwardian]

Just an update on the tram models.  Hopefully I'll get time to check some measurements and finish a couple of bits off over Christmas then I can make them available for sale.

 

I've also done a bit more drawing recently and come up with the following-

 

Y6 tram

 

 

W&U coach

 

 

W&U bogie coach

 

 

 

I should be able to make them all available in 4mm or 7mm (and possibly others if required - HO will be a bit more difficult as thicknesses are set up for the minimum in 4mm).

 

Simon.

 

Simon,

 

I had not realised that you were planning the G15/Y6 0-4-0.  That is good news indeed, and very impressive. 

 

I have a definite interest in the Y6, the 4-wheel coach and the bogie coach, and bogies, all in 4mm.

 

Subject to affordability, I would happily have several Y6s, say up to 4.  Maybe not all at once!

 

Great job

[simon br blue]

Simon,

 

I had not realised that you were planning the G15/Y6 0-4-0.  That is good news indeed, and very impressive. 

 

I have a definite interest in the Y6, the 4-wheel coach and the bogie coach, and bogies, all in 4mm.

 

Subject to affordability, I would happily have several Y6s, say up to 4.  Maybe not all at once!

 

Great job

 

If you have an interest in G15/Y6's you might be able to help with a couple of detail differences - there looks to be a couple of different side window options - flat top, curved top and internal opening.  Also Some seemed to have a guard plate around the cab steps.  Not a problem making these options but I don't want to make a mongrel with the wrong features.

 

I also have a drawing of luggage van no.9 somewhere so should be able to draw that as well.  The only vehicle I cant find reasonable drawings for is passenger brake no.16

 

Simon.

[BillH]

Those 3d prints look very good, I particularly like the coaches. It's not W & U but a matching version of the Stoke ferry 6 wheel coaches would be a very complimentary item of rolling stock to go with the ex-W&U coaches as they ran together on the Kelvedon and Tollesbury line from 1928-51.

[south_tyne]

Just an update on the tram models. Hopefully I'll get time to check some measurements and finish a couple of bits off over Christmas then I can make them available for sale.

 

I've also done a bit more drawing recently and come up with the following-

 

Y6 tram

 

 

W&U coach

 

 

W&U bogie coach

 

 

 

I should be able to make them all available in 4mm or 7mm (and possibly others if required - HO will be a bit more difficult as thicknesses are set up for the minimum in 4mm).

 

Simon.

Fantastic news Simon!!

 

I'm definitely interested in 7mm scale versions of each. Do you have any idea at present in terms of indicative prices?

 

David

[Edwardian]

If you have an interest in G15/Y6's you might be able to help with a couple of detail differences - there looks to be a couple of different side window options - flat top, curved top and internal opening.  Also Some seemed to have a guard plate around the cab steps.  Not a problem making these options but I don't want to make a mongrel with the wrong features.

 

I also have a drawing of luggage van no.9 somewhere so should be able to draw that as well.  The only vehicle I cant find reasonable drawings for is passenger brake no.16

 

Simon.

 

Thanks, Simon

 

I will dig out everything I have in the next day or two, in the hope it will be of some help and then PM you.

 

James

[rue_d_etropal]

with respect to HO, it should not be a problem, I normally work to minimum of 1mm ,possibly 0.9mm for 4mm scale and 87% reduction is still within minimum thicknesses. It is not that much of a problem to double check and adding an extra 0.1 or 0.2mm for 4mm scale is not that visible. When I resize my designs I go though them step by step , adjusting wall thickness, if necessary.

 

I have noticed Model Rail plan to do a OO model of the J70, possibly a coach. That is one reason I am flexible with respect to model scale, and am exploring British HO, partly to be different and not follow the herd.

I am not trying to be negative just giving the type of advice any decent business consultant would give. 3D printing should not be hemmed in, it has the potential to open up the hobby, and then we all benefit.

[south_tyne]

with respect to HO, it should not be a problem, I normally work to minimum of 1mm ,possibly 0.9mm for 4mm scale and 87% reduction is still within minimum thicknesses. It is not that much of a problem to double check and adding an extra 0.1 or 0.2mm for 4mm scale is not that visible. When I resize my designs I go though them step by step , adjusting wall thickness, if necessary.

 

I have noticed Model Rail plan to do a OO model of the J70, possibly a coach. That is one reason I am flexible with respect to model scale, and am exploring British HO, partly to be different and not follow the herd.

I am not trying to be negative just giving the type of advice any decent business consultant would give. 3D printing should not be hemmed in, it has the potential to open up the hobby, and then we all benefit.

Thinking about it... an HO scale version might be something I'd be tempted by two. As a stand-alone little project it could be quite intriguing. A Tram loco, a coach and a few wagons and fruit vans would suffice. I suppose the latter items would be the problem.

 

Food for thought mind.

 

David