Farish Class 411 / 4CEP

[Stevelewis]

Thanks for posting your findings re the haulage power of the 4CEP; mine can haul itself but can't haul a dummy 73 at one end so perhaps mine is faulty.

 

I have no experience of the Dummy 73 ( only a powered one!!) so I am not sure how free running they are, but I would add that the non powered CEP cars are very free rolling.

 

Interestingly on a 00 layout the 00 CEPs do not seem to have the same resrve power as the N gauge version! A 4 car CEP will climb gradients of around 1in 25 to 1 in 30 but with a notable reduction in speed and an additional coach caused a great deal of slipping!

[Mike W]

Thanks for the input Steve. I'll do some fettling on the 73 and hopefully get the combination working well at some point soon.

[Jack]

Whilst a 12 car train is a little too long for many layouts, I would imagine that 8 cars would be able to be run on many, perhaps there is a case for Bachmann to consider selling unpowered 4 car sets ( As Dapol do with some of their products)

 

I am not quite sure how the equaton would work commercially, but maybe there are modellers who would be reluctant to pay out a further £120 for an additional powered set, but would pay say £80 for an unpowered set??

 

That would certainly interest me ...

[Nile]

The dummy class 73 doesn't have pin point bearings,so it acts like its brakes are stuck on.Good luck with the fettling.

[nick_bastable]

Just got around to testing my all Green CEP plenty of pulling/pushing power Code 50 illuminated one way ( Victoria - Ramsgate via Herne Hill and Chatham / Charing Cross - Dartford via Lewisham and Sidcup) other end is white illuminated double blank blind so that will be off under DCC when trailing

 

 

Now to work out how to convert to 2mm

[grahame]

Now to work out how to convert to 2mm

 

 

Hmm, won't you have to shrink down the body mouldings a little ?

 

Or do you mean just change the wheeset gauge it runs on.

 

G.

[nick_bastable]

ah but the over wide body will make the the 2mm class 201 look really narrow ( that is if I can build it )

[talisman56]

A few prototype notes having seen the orientation of the vehicles in BECMAYE's excellent video above:

 

The units as manufactured by Farish represent the 'Phase I' production sets with Mark IV power bogies and non-Commonwealth trailer bogies. The two power cars differ electrically in that one carried a motor generator and the other the unit battery. The lower-numbered vehicle of the pair carried the battery and the TCK was formed next to this car, with the second/standard-class seating next to the power car; then came the TSK, the end of which with the pair of lavatories was next to the other power car.

 

7105-7119 were usually to be found on Central section services, usually on Brighton-Victoria/London Bridge peak period services and Bognor/Littlehampton-London via Mid-Sussex line services; the rest were on South-East section. With the introduction of the later 4-CIGs, 7113-7119 eventually found their way to Ramsgate.

 

I've had a hell of a time trying to find pictures on-line of both sides of a Buffet car to see if I could make a 4BUF TRB from the Farish RMB - from the pictures I have found, look like lots of carving up will need to be done, more than I'm prepared to do. I doubt whether Farish will have the demand to produce a commercial version so looks like a scratch-build if I can't find a kit anywhere that is not an etched or whitemetal kit - my previous attempts on those have been particularly hideous.

[Crepello]

Nigel Burkin has criticised the coupling arrangement for the 4CEP, even with short NEMs; can anyone post a pic to see if they're really that bad?