cornish trains jez Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Good Evening, This is my first question on this website so I hope that I have posted it in the right area. Does anyone have a list of MK2 BSO coach running numbers that ran on the Paddington - Penzance cornish mainline in the 1980's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 The 1986 P5 book has the following Mk2 BSO listed for WR depots Mk2c 9443 CF 9464/65 CF 9466-9470 OM 9471-9473 CF 9475/76 CF 9477/78 OM In 1980 P5 9454 and 9461-78 were listed as WR By 1989 the following were listed as IWRX Mk2a 9427 9438 Mk2E 9498 9499 9506 Also general IC sector stock allocated to WR depots (IXXH) Mk2a 9421 9429 9432 Mk2C 9455 9477 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted November 7, 2011 Author Share Posted November 7, 2011 Good evening, Thank you very much for the info! Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Have a look at Traction 200 issue. It has a diary article I wrote on the various rakes of coaches working these services, and the formations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share Posted November 8, 2011 Good evening, Thank you for the reply. I'll try and get hold of a copy. Which year and month was this issue? Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Hi Jeremy Spring to autumn 1980 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 What would be a fairly typical train formation for a loco hauled Train made up of mk2 in the mid to late 1980's in the south west? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 The formation would depend on the type of train. The Mk2 d/e/f/ Paddington services would be similar to todays HST sets. 2 x FO 1 buffet, 4 or 5 SO and a BG. Local trains would be 4 open mk1's and a 1/2 brake The Cross Country services could be a hotch potch of Mk1 or Mk2 vehicles. The Bradford - Penzance "Cornishman" was a favourite of mine with 2x 1st class 1/2 brakes back to back in the formation. (Full train formations are detailed in the Traction 200 issue "Dave's Diary"). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 14, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2011 What would be a fairly typical train formation for a loco hauled Train made up of mk2 in the mid to late 1980's in the south west? By then the basic service was worked by HSTs (and had been for some years) so the only additional trains would be the oddballs such as the SAGA dated service (if it was still running - I think it had gone by 1985 but can't be sure) and probably the Friday only trains. In 1982 of the latter the 18.30 to Plymouth was still wholly Mk1 stock while the 12.43 to Penzance is rather difficult to determine from the information I have except to say that it was ER stock, steam heated and included at least one Mk1 vehicle. But 1982 was a bit unusual as the Western was very short of dual heat coaches so the formations might not be entirely typical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 What would be a fairly typical train formation for a loco hauled Train made up of mk2 in the mid to late 1980's in the south west? In the mid-80s, Old Oak Common had some standard 9 coach sets of Mark 2s that worked diagrams on the Hereford-Paddington-Paignton-Paddington-Hereford circuit, covering the Cathedrals and Torbay Expresses. The formation was 5 x TSO, TSO(T), 2 x FO, BSO, formed of air-conditioned stock apart from the BSO, which was always a Mk2c from the later 94XX series, per Bomag's reply above, and sometimes augmented by a 90mph restricted GUV. Those BSOs were a very characteristic part of WR loco-hauled operations in the 80s - I spent many a happy hour sitting in them with the toplights wide open, listening to the wonderful 16-cylinder booming roar of the class 50 in front..... David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 What would be a fairly typical train formation for a loco hauled Train made up of mk2 in the mid to late 1980's in the south west? Rakes from Friday 2nd October 1987: 05.45 Barnstaple - Penz, 12.03 Penz - Ply, 15.57 Ply - Penz, 18.30 Penz - Bristol 50026; 7207, 7225, 35044, 19015, 7216 (Mk 1) 06.45 Swin - Penz, 15.45 Penz - Ply 50022; 18374, 7074, 35194, 7632, 18650, 80708 (Mk 1) Rake from Sunday 4th October 1987: 10.30 Penz - Padd: 47490; 4858, 5035, 17074, 5042, 4842, 5032 (from the 12.10 Padd - Penz SO, Mk1 except BFK) The 11.45 Padd - Penz, 19.50 Penz - Ply for M-F had the following coach types but I haven't the actual numbers to hand: BG, Mk2d FK, Mk2f FO, Mk2d TSOT, 2 x Mk2d TSO, Mk2c BSO, Mk2d TSO, Mk2e TSO The other 'local' rake was the coaching stock taken from the Night Sleeper: 00.05 Padd - Penz sleeper, 09.11 Penz - Ply, 16.58 Ply - Penz, 21.35 Penz - Padd sleeper. This had the following types: Mk2d BFK, 2 x Mk2e TSO, 2 x Mk2d TSO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted November 14, 2011 Share Posted November 14, 2011 Cheers flood, looks like I need a few mk1s to go with my mk2s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Any decent pictures? all shots i see are mainly of the loco with the mk1/mk2 in the background Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted September 27, 2012 Share Posted September 27, 2012 When did HST take over? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 When did HST take over? Late 1970s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 When did HST take over? October 1979 for the weekday Golden Hind and Cornish Riviera. By May 1980 all the Paddington services were HST but from about 1984/5 one Paddington service each way went back to loco hauled until about May 1988, when loco hauled services in Cornwall became a rarity with the introduction of the Super Sprinters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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