Mark Saunders Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 This shot is of Tyne & Wear Metro MA50 which is a clone of a LT design it is permanently coupled to MA51. Mark Saunders 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xm607 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Hi, I am trying to make an L.T. 30 ton GP bogie flat wagon in N Gauge in the 1960's era, I am stuck on the brake gear and cross ribs which you can just see, has any one got any idea whats under this wagon. Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
London cambrian Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 from what i recall, two central spines that taper down at the bogies with some bracing going down to the sides i think. As an interesting aside, the flat wagon F361? that used to carry the body of the jubilee coach in the acton depot has been moved to the Epping and Ongar railway, where they also have one of the LT BR standard brake vans. hopefully we'll see it restored in the not too distant future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xm607 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Hi, Here is a photo of the N Gauge wagon I am building at the moment upon my new project / test layout. Steve. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted December 3, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2012 Hi Steve, I thought OO LT was hard enough, but N!!!!!!! Yikes lol Julian Sprott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RThompson Posted June 24, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2013 Hope its alright me posting this on here from my discussions about it nearly a year ago! Whilst ive grabbed a spare couple of hours today ive managed to build the test etch for the 4mm scale London Transport Hurst Nelson Brake van and much to my relief after 2 and a half years of development and allot of heartache (and money!), its now ready! Price to be confirmed but looking to be around the £20 to £25 mark with wheels. If you are interested in purchasing one from the first batch, please contact me off group so enough is ordered for everone. It is mainly in etched nickel silver with cast ends and floor to add the neccessary relief and weight. LT 60ft rail wagon currently having its test build done and looking good so far so will report on that very soon! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadway Clive Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) I've never thought the Bachmann 10ft WB wagons masquerading as London Transport were very convincing when compared to the real thing (See the LT museum example pictured earlier in this thread). I believe a better and cheaper alternative lies in the Hornby 9ft WB wooden framed private owner wagons. The two on the left I bought several years ago at swapmeets and have just finally removed the lettering as I want to convert them to LT match wagons. It was a quick job with acetone (nail varnish remover), which will attack plastic, but of course these are protected by the original Hornby paint finish. The wagon on the right is a white metal Wills Finecast track cleaning wagon - appropriately designed to use cigarette fliter tips wetted with cleaning fluid from above. I bought it at a swapmeet about 20 years ago and soon gave up on cleaning track with it, but had always been puzzled as to its prototype origins. Now I'm wondering if its related to their LT ballast wagon kit, but I havent seen one of those. Incidentally, I dont think many of these small wagons went far in the post war years, all the regular engineering works I recall used the 50ft Flat/ballast F3xx series wagons, the RW rail wagons (like Robert Thompson is producing soon), or the HW4XX series hopper ballast wagons as Cambrian has said. Edited July 2, 2013 by Broadway Clive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RThompson Posted July 5, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 5, 2013 Good evening everyone, Quick question. What is the best matching paint for LT engineering stock between the 30's and 70's before the blue and yellow era? Need to know this for both myself and for the instructions! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted July 6, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2013 Not sure I'm gonna be much help but here goes. 1st a problem - they seem to have changed from light grey to dark grey in the 60's but I've never found a source that can quote when. My stock is all light grey as it just pre-dates the change. What I currently use is Testors Polly Scale CSX Gray which I feel is a good match. This is especially so if you use different undercoats (grey, black etc) as it gives subtle shading differences of the kind you get when wagons age. Now the bad news, Testors are stopping production...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passed Driver Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Hi All. I emailed the London Transport Museum, enquiringl about engineering train wagons to run with Pannier Tank L94. The reply came back, " We have not commisiloned any wagons" and "I am unaware of any wagos relevant to London Transport Locomotives". I thought that would have been a good idea, but, I was wrong again. happy modelling. Kev Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Western Master Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Hi All. I emailed the London Transport Museum, enquiringl about engineering train wagons to run with Pannier Tank L94. The reply came back, " We have not commisiloned any wagons" and "I am unaware of any wagos relevant to London Transport Locomotives". I thought that would have been a good idea, but, I was wrong again. happy modelling. Kev Hi Ken If you haven't got it already, I highly recommend purchasing a copy of Red Panniers by John Scott Morgan and Kirk Martin. Lots of pictures showing the panniers on various workings from Pway to rubbish. Mostly the stock they pulled was British rail wagons of various sizes. Best of luck. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Western Master Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 With regard to grey, I have found that Hycote grey primer is a really good colour for engineering wagons. http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/p/car-accessories/car-maintenance-accessories/paints-and-primers/primers/?552776101&0&cc5_143 It's a good shade and looks the part. Also very cheap and easy to apply. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted October 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2019 I've recently cut n shut a Parkside 4mm MR 20t Brake Van into the LTPB Hurst Nelson van, scaling fairly roughly from photos and a couple of key measurements. There's 6mm out of the wheelbase, 2 planks (4mm) out of each cabin side offset with the joins hidden hehind the duckets) and 1mm off each veranda. The recessed outer ends were infilled with Evergreen O Gauge planked Car Siding and duckets scratchbuilt from 4 layers of 20 thou plasticard, suitably shaped. Roof shortened by 6mm and the rain strip and chimney detail removed. 0.45mm handrails added, and the long footstep cut n shut by 6mm. Its not 100% correct - I didn't alter the cabin ends (door centred still rather than offset to the left) and only 4 step supports instead of 6 (might still add those on), but it looks the part at least. Light grey with red ends and Modelmasters decals will finish. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted October 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) While on the subject of LT wagonry... Does anyone know what type of bogies we're fitted to the 30t flat wagons, either the 1937 or 1951 batches, number ranges F332-F369. Difficult to tell from the various photos I have available to me. I'm also assuming they ran on smaller diameter wheels? 9mm? 10.5mm? Edited October 23, 2019 by CloggyDog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RThompson Posted October 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 23, 2019 58 minutes ago, CloggyDog said: While on the subject of LT wagonry... Does anyone know what type of bogies we're fitted to the 30t flat wagons, either the 1937 or 1951 batches, number ranges F332-F369. Difficult to tell from the various photos I have available to me. I'm also assuming they ran on smaller diameter wheels? 9mm? 10.5mm? The wagons ran on low profile diamond bogies with 2'6" wheels. 4mm scale whitemetal bogies are available from RT Models 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 23 September 2016 at 06:47, Passed Driver said: Hi All. I emailed the London Transport Museum, enquiringl about engineering train wagons to run with Pannier Tank L94. The reply came back, " We have not commisiloned any wagons" and "I am unaware of any wagos relevant to London Transport Locomotives". I thought that would have been a good idea, but, I was wrong again. happy modelling. Kev It says a lot about the knowledge, or rather the lack of it, amongst the museum staff. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted October 24, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 23/10/2019 at 13:21, CloggyDog said: I've recently cut n shut a Parkside 4mm MR 20t Brake Van into the LTPB Hurst Nelson van, scaling fairly roughly from photos and a couple of key measurements. There's 6mm out of the wheelbase, 2 planks (4mm) out of each cabin side offset with the joins hidden hehind the duckets) and 1mm off each veranda. The recessed outer ends were infilled with Evergreen O Gauge planked Car Siding and duckets scratchbuilt from 4 layers of 20 thou plasticard, suitably shaped. Roof shortened by 6mm and the rain strip and chimney detail removed. 0.45mm handrails added, and the long footstep cut n shut by 6mm. Its not 100% correct - I didn't alter the cabin ends (door centred still rather than offset to the left) and only 4 step supports instead of 6 (might still add those on), but it looks the part at least. Light grey with red ends and Modelmasters decals will finish. Nice work with the duckets. That's something that's always put me off having another go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 What are the current LT wagon and brake van kit and rtr options? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RThompson Posted May 10, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Jeff Smith said: What are the current LT wagon and brake van kit and rtr options? Met Brake van and dropside wagon kits from South Eastern finecast. Hurst Nelson brake van and RW60 rail wagon kits from RT models plus bogies, drophead oval buffers and socket castings. There used to be GP50 wagon kits from Radley models but having just checked the website it does not appear anymore. RtR, Bachmann 20T BR type brake van. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Yes, I had a look at the SEF offerings which I presume are white metal. I would be compensating with P4 wheels. I just need a couple to go with my pannier. Are they reasonable as they seem fairly cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Rixon Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 On 11/05/2020 at 01:19, Jeff Smith said: Yes, I had a look at the SEF offerings which I presume are white metal. I would be compensating with P4 wheels. I just need a couple to go with my pannier. Are they reasonable as they seem fairly cheap. I built an open and a brake van in P4. In each case, I fitted Bill-Bedford axleguards. The brake is extremely heavy, and I replaced the roof to lighten it. The open is quite good, but squeezing in the suspension led me to replace the floor, which was a lot of extra work. If I wanted another Met brake I might build the SEF kit again. For the open, I think it's so simple that it would be as quick to build from scratch...except that the appropriate buffers and axleboxes are not available AFAIK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Thanks, I have a couple of sets of wagon wheels and MJT rocking compensation etches. Do you remember if the kits included transfers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Rixon Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I used POWsides transfers on my kits but I think I bought them separately. IIRC, the lettering on the brake is chopped up from POWsides' sheet for the drop-side open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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