Coldgunner Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I've just added another farish Mk1 to my merseyside express set and noticed that the new Mk1 coach is a little longer, do Mk1's come in varying lengths? I'm a little confused, theres about 10mm difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted November 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2011 I've just added another farish Mk1 to my merseyside express set and noticed that the new Mk1 coach is a little longer, do Mk1's come in varying lengths? I'm a little confused, theres about 10mm difference. Hi There are as far as I am aware only two lengths of MK1 stock, 57ft and 64ft 6". I would have thought it unusual to include either a GUV or BG in the Merseyside Express set which as far as I can remember are the only 57ft MK1 coaches Farish produce. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium romley midland Posted November 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2011 The coaches in the Merseyside Express set are Staniers, not MK1's, hence the difference in length! Cheers, Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Ahh, that certainly answers the question, the staniers do look a lot like the MK1's! I guess BR took most of the design aspects from the LMS engineers. Not very knowledgeable about coaching stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I would have thought it unusual to include either a GUV or BG in the Merseyside Express set which as far as I can remember are the only 57ft MK1 coaches Farish produce. Apart from the Suburbons, though of course as has been pointed out the set in fact comes with Stanier's rather than MK1's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 heh, at least the liveries match lol! Gives me an excuse now to fill out on stanier and BR coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSB Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 The Mk 1s combined the steel bodies of the LMS 57ft designs with the 64ft length of the Bullied coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted November 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2011 Apart from the Suburbons, though of course as has been pointed out the set in fact comes with Stanier's rather than MK1's. Hi I had forgotten the Suburbans. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 The Mk 1s combined the steel bodies of the LMS 57ft designs with the 64ft length of the Bullied coaches. Most of the pre-war Staniers didn't have steel bodies but sheet steel external panels on a wood frame, though Derby did try all-steel construction on various batches over the years (and bought in from outside contractors like Metropolitan-Cammell). A number of the post-War LMS coach designs were all-streel and Derby did influence the Mk.1 design, particularly the interior fittings. Apart from the length and arrangement, the other significant differences were the curved sides (similar, but not the same as the Bulleids), the 'Pullman' gangways and buck-eye couplers (LNER/SR influence) and the bogies (Swindon). Centre trussing was something Derby had used before on various experimental coaches, particularly articulated stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted November 18, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2011 Am I right in thinking that as the Stanier's didn't have Pullman standard gangways they'd have been grouped together rather that mixed up with Mk1s as fewer ganway adaptors would be required. i.e. where ever possible you'd have Stanier-Stanier-Mk1-Mk1 rather than Stanier-Mk1-Stanier-Mk1 Happy modelling. Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 To be honest I don't know, Steven, but I suspect that's the case. The GWR made a policy of fitting gangway adapters to all their new coaches from the late 1930s (when they adopted a more universally acceptable coach profile) but I'm not aware of what LMS policy was on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted November 19, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2011 Apart from the Suburbons, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 That's one of those words I've got a blind spot on spelling wise, and I LOVE bourbon cremes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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