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6100, D6107, D6108, 6119, 6124, 6129, D6137 all received blue repaints with D6108, 6124, 6129 and D6137 having the BR double arrows placed on the cab doors.

 

6101, D6102, 6106, 6112, 6116, D6121, D6123, 6130, 6132 all received full yellow ends whilst in two tone green livery. 6112 received another coat of two tone green paint as late as August 1970 at St. Rollox works.

 

6123 retained its reporting discs until withdrawal.

 

D6109 also underwent body conversion which resulted in it looking like a blue liveried 29 but due to frame damage it retained its MAN engine and saw out the rest of its existence as a 21.

 

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D6127 and D6151 were definitely scrapped in all over green and I understand D6125 may also have ended its days without getting yellow panels.

Just found a phot on D6125 in Diesels and Electrics on Shed Volume 4 - Scottish Region (plate 146). It's purported to have been taken at Parkhead in August 1965 and shows it in all-over green with the secondmans window missing (boiler end) and what appears to be fairly extensive collision damage to the trailing cab.

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Brush Veteran, could you give any more detail about the frame damage which stopped D6109 being converted to a Class 29? It seems odd that it wasn't noticed before the conversion was started. Thanks, Mike.

Mike

 

All I can tell you is what I submitted in August 2013 which was from my notes from information gathered from a visit to Inverurie Works before it finally closed,

 

"Apparently D6109 was not suited to the full Class 29 conversion in receiving a Paxman engine due to previous modifications involving the engine bedplate and cooling system. It did receive however a refurbished MAN engine and was compared against the Class 29's before any further members were rebuilt."

 

It was probably at this point that the promise of LMR Class 27's made futher conversions unviable as the whole class of 21's by then were being gradually withdrawn and canibalised. The demise of NBL didn't probably help matters either.

 

It is not uncommon for selected locomotives undergoing rebuilds to have the work aborted part way through. I recall that a 47/8 (maybe 47844) had its conversion to a class 57 aborted by Brush because of previous repairs making the conversion economically unsuitable to this particular locomotive.

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Mike

 

All I can tell you is what I submitted in August 2013 which was from my notes from information gathered from a visit to Inverurie Works before it finally closed,

 

"Apparently D6109 was not suited to the full Class 29 conversion in receiving a Paxman engine due to previous modifications involving the engine bedplate and cooling system. It did receive however a refurbished MAN engine and was compared against the Class 29's before any further members were rebuilt."

 

It was probably at this point that the promise of LMR Class 27's made futher conversions unviable as the whole class of 21's by then were being gradually withdrawn and canibalised. The demise of NBL didn't probably help matters either.

 

It is not uncommon for selected locomotives undergoing rebuilds to have the work aborted part way through. I recall that a 47/8 (maybe 47844) had its conversion to a class 57 aborted by Brush because of previous repairs making the conversion economically unsuitable to this particular locomotive.

the class 47 was 47849 if i remember correctly,its conversion to a class 57 was aborted due to frame damage it suffered in a collision in the early 1970s, i think

the 47 that was 

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the class 47 was 47849 if i remember correctly,its conversion to a class 57 was aborted due to frame damage it suffered in a collision in the early 1970s, i think

the 47 that was 

No it was 844.

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the class 47 was 47849 if i remember correctly,its conversion to a class 57 was aborted due to frame damage it suffered in a collision in the early 1970s, i think

the 47 that was 

 

 

No it was 844.

 

 

According to the class 47 website  www.class47.co.uk  you are both right.

 

Both 47844 and 47849 were found to have structural problems when stripped for conversion to class 57.

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And another one of D6109 - it's a Kodachrome II original slide but the colour has gone off and I haven't managed to correct it as yet:

 

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Nice one Robert

 

Looking at this you might think it was taken on the same occasion as the shot in post 57 above?

 

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Slightly OT, but can anyone Identify the 21 that was stored at Kittybrewster with major accident damage please? Does anyone know what happened in the accident?

 

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Nice one Robert

 

Looking at this you might think it was taken on the same occasion as the shot in post 57 above?

 

Phil

Quite possibly so, perhaps there was a depot visit of some kind.  My slide is a Kodachrome II with a processing date of June 1967.

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A reminder that Revoluyion Trains are taking expressions of interest for Class 21/29 in N Gauge.

 

https://www.revolutiontrains.com/class-2129/

 

From 1958-60 the North British Locomotive Co. built 58 type 2 Bo-Bo diesels, later given the TOPS code Class 21. The first 38 went to the Eastern region; the remainder to Scotland. Soon all were transferred north of the border.  Due to reliability problems 20 locomotives were re-engined in the mid 1960s and designated Class 29. This improved their performance but all were withdrawn by 1972.

Those locomotives converted to Class 29 received a new Paxman engine and a two-tone green livery. A 4-character headcode box was also fitted to all except D6123. Our models will feature appropriate detailing and lights.

Class 21:

When introduced all locomotives were in plain green, with disc indicators and nose connector doors.  From the early 1960s half-yellow warning panels were added.  Our model depicts the first 38 with cabside droplights and no tablet catchers.

Class 29:

The 20 locomotives converted to Class 29 emerged from works in two-tone green. All except one were fitted with 4-character centre  headcode boxes.  They were also given a revised yellow warning panel and, later, full yellow ends. A handful were painted blue; with the BR totem on the cabside or the doors.

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6129 Eastfield. Photo courtesy Graham Wareham

Models to be produced by Dapol.  Guide Price:  £110, £205 with DCC Sound.

The Class 21/9 locomotives are an attractive choice, and with the Farish Class 24 & 25, Dapol Class 26 & 27 and the forthcoming DJM Class 17 “Clayton” will complete the roster for numerous N Gauge Scottish layouts. For a short-lived class they had a surprising number of liveries, and we are hoping to design the tooling so that certain idiosyncracies of particular individual locomotives can be depicted.

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We have decided to work with Dapol on this project as they have already produced the very well regarded North British Class 22 locomotive. Although these locomotives were shorter and had different engines and bogies the cab ends were virtually identical, so we are confident they will be able to capture the character of these locomotives well and incorporate distinctive features such as the spoked wheels.

If you’d like to see this model produced please declare your interest here. No money will be taken. We need 1200 orders to proceed, so please don’t delay!

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To revive this excellent thread, can anyone tell me what external modifications were made to accommodate the new Paxman engines? I understand that the exhaust ports were modified slightly, but other than that I'm not sure.

 

I've been trying to get hold of the MLI magazine that details these locos, but I've not had any luck so far. If anyone has one that they are tired of reading I would be very interested. Alternatively, any good book recommendations that goes into detail on the history of these locos would be appreciated.

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As to D6122 i believe i could of added something, but will the evidence ever come to surface, meanwhile its another twist for people in our hobby.

 

Here is the RCTS's take on the issue of D6121 and D6122, with photos of both before and after the date of a possible number swop. Last updated 20/2/2016.

https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/diesels/loco.htm?id=diesels/D6121

 

Interestingly regarding a possible cab swop with D6121, the photo evidence there suggests if so not just one cab but both (so why?) as there is a photo of a cab damaged D6122 and also photos of the undamaged cab without https://www.rcts.org.uk/popup.htm?img=D6122 April 1964  Perth 11Apr64&cl=diesels and later with https://www.rcts.org.uk/popup.htm?img=D6122 at Cewe South depot 2 Crewe South 22Oct67&cl=diesels eyebrows.

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Here is the RCTS's take on the issue of D6121 and D6122, with photos of both before and after the date of a possible number swop. Last updated 20/2/2016.

https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/diesels/loco.htm?id=diesels/D6121

 

Interestingly regarding a possible cab swop with D6121, the photo evidence there suggests if so not just one cab but both (so why?) as there is a photo of a cab damaged D6122 and also photos of the undamaged cab without https://www.rcts.org.uk/popup.htm?img=D6122 April 1964  Perth 11Apr64&cl=diesels and later with https://www.rcts.org.uk/popup.htm?img=D6122 at Cewe South depot 2 Crewe South 22Oct67&cl=diesels eyebrows.

 

And I've still got that North British 'diamond' belonging to D6121.

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