Rugd1022 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Not a special train as such, but a notable diversion featuring D9010, un-named, about to head for Hexham, on 1A39, April 25th, '64. http://www.railbrit....e2.php?id=37707 Just going back to this one for a mo gents if I may.... with regard to the diversions off the ECML via Carlisle etc, were there regular turns this way for Scottish and Newcastle crews to retain their route knowledge, similar to Western and Southern men signing both routes between Exeter and Dawish when the Seawall was under attack from stormy waters...? (Cards on the table time..... once again I am being craftily sucked in and seduced by the 'other' WR's charms.... despite Dapol's GWR Railcar now in the offing I just know that at some point, I will end up buying a D11, an A1, an A3 or a GSYP Class 26 to, shall we say, test the waters. It was bad enough having a telling off this morning from SWMBO for accidentally putting David Cross's Waverley book into her shopping basket for future perusal.... is this all going to end in tears chaps, or should I just admit defeat and start scetching sweeping vista style layout ideas which are a million miles away from Old Oak, Swindon and Penzance...? ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 I don't have to sell my soul He's already in me I don't need to sell my soul He's already in me 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveArkley Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Just going back to this one for a mo gents if I may.... with regard to the diversions off the ECML via Carlisle etc, were there regular turns this way for Scottish and Newcastle crews to retain their route knowledge, similar to Western and Southern men signing both routes between Exeter and Dawish when the Seawall was under attack from stormy waters...? (Cards on the table time..... once again I am being craftily sucked in and seduced by the 'other' WR's charms.... despite Dapol's GWR Railcar now in the offing I just know that at some point, I will end up buying a D11, an A1, an A3 or a GSYP Class 26 to, shall we say, test the waters. It was bad enough having a telling off this morning from SWMBO for accidentally putting David Cross's Waverley book into her shopping basket for future perusal.... is this all going to end in tears chaps, or should I just admit defeat and start scetching sweeping vista style layout ideas which are a million miles away from Old Oak, Swindon and Penzance...? ) Don't fight it. Resistance is futile.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 Just going back to this one for a mo gents if I may.... with regard to the diversions off the ECML via Carlisle etc, were there regular turns this way for Scottish and Newcastle crews to retain their route knowledge, similar to Western and Southern men signing both routes between Exeter and Dawish when the Seawall was under attack from stormy waters...? (Cards on the table time..... once again I am being craftily sucked in and seduced by the 'other' WR's charms.... despite Dapol's GWR Railcar now in the offing I just know that at some point, I will end up buying a D11, an A1, an A3 or a GSYP Class 26 to, shall we say, test the waters. It was bad enough having a telling off this morning from SWMBO for accidentally putting David Cross's Waverley book into her shopping basket for future perusal.... is this all going to end in tears chaps, or should I just admit defeat and start scetching sweeping vista style layout ideas which are a million miles away from Old Oak, Swindon and Penzance...? ) Oh, we've got him boys! D. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 Booked motive power, http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/singleimage.php?id=20436 and replacement motive power http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=39647 that latter is a feisty wee bird of prey that screams model me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62440 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Am I right in thinking that Brush "Kestrel" ran over the line? I remember being taken out to near Millerhill (the top of the hill on the A68 bridge) and waiting for it. It must have been early as we waited - with cameras - for about an hour. No joy! Bruce 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 Diversion? http://www.scottishbordercamera.com/photo_2245530.html#photos_id=2245521 (I have my fully worked out theory, just waiting for others' thoughts...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Definitely. That would be the Queen of Scots. Wonder if it's going via Carlisle or Kelso though? Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 Check the tender mate. Is that BRITISH RAILWAYS I can see? I'm going Kelso I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwb.photos Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 Having passed through St Boswells, this is on the single track section to Kelso, originally double track but later lifted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Check the tender mate. Is that BRITISH RAILWAYS I can see? I'm going Kelso I think. That would have been pretty much the standard style for late summer 1948. 1948 flood diversion I presume. Bernard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 That would have been pretty much the standard style for late summer 1948. 1948 flood diversion I presume. Bernard Precisely my thinking. Another picture that tells a fantastic story. The Eildons provide a gorgeous setting for this railway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) Another browse on Flickr and another one of Ernie's shots: http://www.flickr.co...nie/7424762682/ D97 approaches Carlisle on 2nd May '68 Which had me looking over at Six Bells Jct site as I don't recall hearing about that one, but sure enough, there it is: http://www.sixbellsj...s/680501_1.html Edited August 9, 2012 by 37175 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 Seen those timings? Two hours and ten minutes from Waverley to Citadel. That's one surefooted Peak. Awesome photo, and not so common location too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 14, 2012 Author Share Posted August 14, 2012 Another first here, paired B1s taken from the train, curving through Penton: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=39941 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Another first here, paired B1s taken from the train, curving through Penton: http://www.railbrit....te.php?id=39941 Tour gen here: http://sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/610709rc.html Think I may have a ticket from that amongst the collection - will take a look. From the tour gen it's pretty obvious I'm wrong, but that first vehicle behind the train loco doesn't half look like a BRCW Type 2! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I can see where you're coming from with that, Matt but I suspect it's the Gresley BG that you see in 'six bells' behind the J37 and No 256. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37175 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Certainly is, Dave. The pic of it behind 46247 shows the centre rail of the coach, which is what made me double-take at first as it was uncannily like the stripe on a 26/27. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 That's what I picked up on too. It does beg the question however of when the Wee Sulzers were first recorded at work on the route. It is matter of record that they were re-deployed to 64Bin 1960. Logic suggests they were used for crew training and diagrams elsewhere before reaching the hallowed route and all the photos I've seen seem to indicate a spring 1962 introduction. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62440 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Perhaps this is a bit off-topic as it's not a special train, but I suppose being a diversion, it was special in its own way. The usual student train back on a Sunday evening from Hawick to Edinburgh was the DMU sometime after 6 pm. On this Sunday, we were sitting in the DMU in the bay platform at Hawick, when the Area Manager appeared on board and shouted that there was a non-stop for Edinburgh arriving and if we wanted to use it, we had to transfer NOW. I removed to the Down platform to see a train arrive from the south and drawing to a halt was a loco-hauled train. On a Sunday, the section was Hawick to St Boswells - it may even have been Galashiels - and I expected a speedy trip as it had to clear the section before the DMU would leave ~ somewhat late, so here's the log - the one and only I ever took: Sunday diversion – Carstairs trains via Hawick. D 168 and 5 coaches Headcode 1S38 which ran non-stop to Waverley from Hawick, leaving Hawick at 6.04.50pm Hawick time Hrs.min.sec 18.04.50 Speed 62 Hassendean 09.45 Speed 63 Standhill 11.30 Belses 12.45 Speed 63( for1mile) KelsoJunct 16.43 St Boswells 17.00 Speed 65 Melrose 20.05 Galashiels 23.47 Bowland 28.00 Stow 31.37 Fountainhall 35.45 Speed 64 Heriot 39.10 Speed 43 Falahill 40.35 Tynehead 41.40 BorthwickBank 43.40 Speed slow Fushiebridge 45.15 Speed slow Gorebridge 46.20 Speed slow LadyVicPit 48.55 Speed slow Newtongrange 49.45 Hardengreen 51.35 Eskbank&Dalkeith 51.45 Speed slow Millerhill 54.05 Speed slow Portobello 58.00 Craigentinny slow Waverley(stop) Hrs.min.sec 19.02.35 So some 58 minutes Hawick to Edinburgh. Coming down Falahill was an experience as we rocked about. The amusing upshot was that having arrived early in Edinburgh, I decided to walk back to my flat and not take the bus. I was drenched by an April Shower! I'm sorry about how this post appears, the formatting of the Word document has gone to pigs and whistles! This wasn't my fasted trip over the northern end of the line - this was beaten by a Glasgow set - with three stops at Galashiels, Melrose and St Boswells - substituted after our 10.15 Saturday DMU ex-Waverley jumped the points drawing away from the platform. We were transferred to a Glasgow set sitting in one of the through platforms. Bruce 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 That's a very interesting recollection, Bruce. Glad you did record it! I don't think we've captured how often the line was used for diversionary purposes, but I get the feeling it was more than most would expect. By 'Glasgow' DMU set do I dare to infer that was one of the InterCity units, borrowed by control and poked down into the Borders? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62440 Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 By 'Glasgow' DMU set do I dare to infer that was one of the InterCity units, borrowed by control and poked down into the Borders? Yes, one of those - also used from Hawick, calling at St Boswells, Melrose and Galashiels, during the Trades Holiday for excursions, e.g. to Pitlochry. Bruce 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 Yes, one of those - also used from Hawick, calling at St Boswells, Melrose and Galashiels, during the Trades Holiday for excursions, e.g. to Pitlochry. Bruce Reading David's book over the past couple of weeks, I'd managed to entrench myself in the view that unenlightened marketing by BR Regional, Area or Local management was responsible for stifling the majority of such special trains. It's obviously a far more complex picture than that - Special Notices and amendments to the Working T/T need scrutiny. One facet I really hadn't fully appreciated until the book and recent Coaching Stock working instructions came to light, was the reliance on loco-haulage even on what I had naturally assumed were DMU diagrams. This railway would have been a basher's delight. Imagine the variety a week's Freedom of Scotland ticket would have delivered, especially if you raked one of the Dundee - Blackpools in... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Iain Mac Posted October 17, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 17, 2012 A classic - what other line could it be! - http://www.flickr.co...57628297104467/ - anyone want to guess the bridge number? Bridge 92 just south Torwoodlee Tunnel south of the south portal. roygraham Er. Bridge 76 actually Roy south of Bowshank tunnel. On the drawing board now along with 75 Bowshank north and south portals. Mac. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) Why not break this classic out again: http://www.flickr.co...57628297104467/ (and which box did we think this is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/6462518965/in/set-72157628297104467/ ?) Edited October 17, 2012 by 'CHARD 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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