ChrisWV10 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Andy raises an interesting point. While we've so far been speculating on olympic branding, what about HM's diamond jubilee? PrincessElizabeth based commemorative pack anyone? I'll also throw in some sort of Southampton express pack relating to the centenary of the Ttanic's maiden voyage... C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave flint Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I'm hoping that in the wake of the cutback of Thomas products, they've re-tooled a lot of them to be loco driven. Sorry to dredge this up, but what have they culled ? If and when Southeastern unveils a Javelin with Olympic vinyls then Hornby will follow suit, no doubt the London 2012 organising committee will give the fullest cooperation with Hornby, as they're an Olympic partner, over the artwork so the model's released simultaneously or very shortly afterwards. Yawn ! No offence meant to gc4946, but I'm sick of Coe's vanity project already. Will they bother, given the sloth-like nature of the current Javelin "special" to leave shelves ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43179 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I wonder if we will ever see the class 466 again ? The real 2 car Networkers are now getting the latest Southeastern two tone blue Livery - which I think looks rather smart - and would look nice in model form too. Its a shame Hornby have not bothered to tool up some separate parts to update the model - such as the air con pods , and anti-climb buffer fairings. tfn Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br-nse-fan Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I'll also throw in some sort of Southampton express pack relating to the centenary of the Ttanic's maiden voyage... C. That would be quite the item.. especially if they included the MN 'Cunard White Star' with the correct tender style... or at the very least, released the MN seperatly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium gc4946 Posted December 8, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2011 Andy raises an interesting point. While we've so far been speculating on olympic branding, what about HM's diamond jubilee? PrincessElizabeth based commemorative pack anyone? I'll also throw in some sort of Southampton express pack relating to the centenary of the Ttanic's maiden voyage... C. Should have realised these anniversaries as well, more opportunity to capitalise across Hornby's brands. HM Diamond Jubilee - LMS Princess Elizabeth streamliner in train pack and trams and buses by Corgi, which, incidentally they produced a specially decorated tram for the Queen's Golden Jubilee. Titanic centenary - LSWR T9 (though incorrect unless tooled up new boiler) or M7 in Drummond livery, but matching carriages a problem as none are suitable from existing tooling except the old short clerestories but sort of passable once tooled up with new non-clerestory roofs, also Airfix model of the ship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted December 8, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2011 I wonder if we will ever see the class 466 again ? The real 2 car Networkers are now getting the latest Southeastern two tone blue Livery - which I think looks rather smart - and would look nice in model form too. Its a shame Hornby have not bothered to tool up some separate parts to update the model - such as the air con pods , and anti-climb buffer fairings. Oddly I noticed whilst sitting at London bridge the other day on platform 8 with my Horsham stopper that the 465's and 466's going by no longer had the additional aircon pods that were installed on the front cab roofs anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43179 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Ill have to keep an eye out for those John - Was It definately an Alsthom '465 without the pods ? as opposed to the ABB/BREL ones - Ive only seen a couple of 466s in the new livery (the blue underframe looks much better IMO) but they still had their 'Hats on Regards Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 Oddly I noticed whilst sitting at London bridge the other day on platform 8 with my Horsham stopper that the 465's and 466's going by no longer had the additional aircon pods that were installed on the front cab roofs anymore. Some of them do, some of them don't. I think as they go in for overhaul they are getting removed. The new livery is fabulous, I love it, complete with the lilac doors. Very smart and much better than the yellow/grey. But still not quite as good as the one off with the all over white scheme (still going around I think), that wouldn't last long in terms of cleanliness, but it did look terrific. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Physicsman Posted December 8, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2011 I've tried to avoid the froth, but just to be on the silly side, how about Hornby do a super-detail class 40, since Bachmann seem to be taking years to get the job done (due in 201x?)? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 It probably didn't sell well because it's so dated with underscale bogies. Wasn't it one of Lima's first OO scale releases and the underscale bogies allegedly because they were designed for the proposed HO release? It's as old as the Lima Warship recently stuck in the Railroad range and there have been guffaws of disbelief that Hornby even bothered re-releasing it, so I'm not surprised if the ex-Lima 87 hasn't sold too well. The bogies were the right height, but were scaled to fit an existing shorter wheelbase motor bogie. Hornby "could" have fitted class 90 bogies when the chassis was retooled to accept their own motor, but that would have been too obvious and logical. It (and the Warship) is just a waste of materials and production time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43179 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Its nice how the livery has been developed from the 'High Speed' livery used on the Javelins - and as the Javelin often wanders into 'Networker' land,(A few heads turned when one trundled through lewisham a while back) it would be a nice idea for Hornby to allow the same thing in model form. If the roof pods are on the way out then that would make hornbys model a bit more accurate aswell! Anyways - a bit off topic there - getting back to the wishli..I mean Resonable speculation - Hornby will definately follow up thier 5-BEL with its modern 5 car counterpart that currently runs from Victoria to Brighton , and plastic pigs might fly TFN Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluex5 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I've tried to avoid the froth, but just to be on the silly side, how about Hornby do a super-detail class 40, since Bachmann seem to be taking years to get the job done (due in 201x?)? Jeff It'll happen just after I've made a proper start on my BachLim hybrid. Write it down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 The bogies were the right height, but were scaled to fit an existing shorter wheelbase motor bogie. Hornby "could" have fitted class 90 bogies when the chassis was retooled to accept their own motor, but that would have been too obvious and logical. It (and the Warship) is just a waste of materials and production time. Expect to see warships been offered very cheap in a couple of years if Hornby don't quietly forget to ever bother making it. Who would miss it? LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 9, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 9, 2011 Should have realised these anniversaries as well, more opportunity to capitalise across Hornby's brands. HM Diamond Jubilee - LMS Princess Elizabeth streamliner in train pack and trams and buses by Corgi, which, incidentally they produced a specially decorated tram for the Queen's Golden Jubilee. Titanic centenary - LSWR T9 (though incorrect unless tooled up new boiler) or M7 in Drummond livery, but matching carriages a problem as none are suitable from existing tooling except the old short clerestories but sort of passable once tooled up with new non-clerestory roofs, also Airfix model of the ship. This is a very good point and could well be the sort of area they pick up on although I really wonder if this market area has weakened and unless price & contents are attractive to modellers it could be something of an error to go for it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Here's press release for January, leaked first here on RMweb! (Since it is not April 1, and lest anyone is misled, the following is a hoax, a complete fabrication, but hopefully in the spirit of this thread and blatently plagiarizing some of what I thought were the more creative ideas therin.) And yes, it is intended to be a little tongue-in-cheek regarding formulaic corporate-speak. PRESS RELEASE - EMBARGOED UNTIL JANUARY 3, 2012 Hornby ANNOUNCES NEW RANGE OF MODEL RAILWAY PRODUCTS FOR 2012 CONTACT:Jayne SmytheThemsnot Group Limited, A Yawningstar Company MARGATE, KENT - January 3, 2012 - Hornby PLC (LSE: HRN.L) is proud to announce our range of new Hornby model railway products to be gradually released through the second quarter of 2013. Highlights of the new releases are as follows: "We are really excited about our line-up this year." says Frank Martin, Chief Executive of Hornby PLC. "As an official licensee for the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games, our focus this year is to promote products related to the games." In cooperation with the Southern train operating company a limited edition, "London 2012 Suburban" train pack, consisting of a four-unit, Class 377, electric multiple unit with London 2012 commemorative packaging and a numbered certificate, will be produced. Only 2012 of these train packs will be made available. The London 2012 theme will appeal to a younger audience in the form of the "London 2012 Fun Train" train set, consisting of a diesel shunter, open wagon and vans decorated with the Official London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games mascots; Mandeville and Wenlock and the London 2012 logo, an oval of track, controller and a special olympics-themed TrakMatTM. Adding to the fun, the open wagon will be loaded with Cadbury Dairy Milk* chocolates. "We think that people are excited about the upcoming games and will want interactive keepsakes of the games." said Simon Kohler, Hornby Marketing Manager. The vans and open wagon from the "London 2012 Fun Train" will also be available separately as London 2012 commemoratives. In commemoration of the centenary of loss of the RMS Titanic in 1912, Hornby is announcing a limited edition, "Titanic Centennial Boat Train" train pack, consisting of a LSWR T9 steam locomotive with three coaches, a commemorative print of the RMS Titanic docked in Southhampton and a numbered certificate. Only 1912 of these sets will be produced. Hornby is also announcing a new steam locomotive model for 2012, an unrebuilt Merchant Navy. More than ten years ago, Hornby set a new standard of excellence in model railways with their introduction of the rebuilt Merchant Navy "Clan Line". In 2012, Hornby will offer No. 21C1 "Channel Packet" equipped with DCC and Sound in malachite green as built by the Southern Railway in 1941. To celebrate the Diamond Jubilee of Her Majesty the Queen, Hornby is announcing a limited edition train pack featuring the former LMS Princess Royal class locomotive No. 46201 Princess Elizabeth along with three coaches in a British Railways livery representing 1952, the year Her Majesty ascended the throne, plus a numbered certificate. Only 1952 of these train packs will be produced. Also new for 2012 will be the "Olly the Little White Van" Scalextric set. "As an official licensee, we are very excited about the business potential of "Olly the Little White Van"." said Mr. Martin. Full details of the 2012 releases can be found at the Hornby website at www.Hornby.com. About Hornby PLC Hornby PLC (LSE: HRN.L) is engaged in the development, production and supply of hobby and toy products. The Company is principally engaged in the development, design, sourcing and distribution of hobby and interactive home entertainment products. The Company distributes its products through a network of specialist and multiple retailers throughout the United Kingdom and overseas. It markets its products under brands, such as Hornby, Scalextric, Electrotren, Lima, Jouef, Rivarossi, Arnold, Airfix, Humbrol and Corgi. The Company has worldwide Master Toy license rights to a new children’s animated television series Olly the Little White Van. The Company’s subsidiaries include Hornby Hobbies Limited in the United Kingdom, Hornby America Inc. in the USA, Hornby Espana S.A. in Spain, Hornby Italia s.r.l. in Italy, Hornby France S.A.S. in France and Hornby Deutschland GmbH in Germany. Corporate headquarters are located at Westwood, Margate, Kent, CT9 4JX, UK. World Wide Web site: www.Hornby.com. * "Cadbury Dairy Milk" is a trademark of the Kraft Foods Company. Cadbury is the Official Treat Provider to the 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games. This release was provided by the Themsnot Group Limited, A Yawningstar Company Fixed Clan Line - thanks Ceptic. I meant to fact check that and forgot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Ozexpatriate....... That's the kind .of humour l'm after...Nice one, and well put together One nit-pickin', tongue in cheek, rivet-countin' detail, tho'.. (Unless l'm mistaken ?)....lt was 35028 'Clan Line', that saved(?) Hornby from receivership...You remember the one ...that looked like it had hit an iceberg with it's smokebox door. ? lt would have been ironic, if Hornby had released it as 35004.'Cunard White Star'..... Time will tell. Cheers Oz,... coupled with the Season's Best Wishes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDL Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Interesting to read Pat Hammond's piece today on Mremag. Might be that it will be a good comprehensive programme. I wonder if they might look at Atlantics - suits their big engine policy and fits in with Southern / LNER strength. I wonder if they will go for a J72 or something similar as well, since Bachmann "stole " the jinty for a (fairly) ubiquitous tank engine. Also wonder if they will look at a retooled autocoach (perhaps matched with 14xx). Have to say that bar one or two exceptions Hornby stuff has generally been the equal or better than Bachmann. Their best (king Arthur / L1) has set the highest standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDL Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 When I say "stole" should also have a wink - is being Tongue in cheek! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Pat Hammond also reports that the Tornado and Dart models were developed by one of their new suppliers and not by Sanda Kan. He also says.... When dealing with new vendors, you take a risk as to whether or not the new company can deliver the quality you require. The B17 has been a victim of this and Hornby assure us that they will not release a model until it achieves the high standards they now set, even if it means delaying its release. It is not breaking the embargo to say that there is to be no letup in the development of new models and, despite this, Hornby expect there to be no carryover of new models into 2013. In other words the whole programme will be completed during 2012. . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartb Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Hornby expect there to be no carryover of new models into 2013. In other words the whole programme will be completed during 2012. I think this is the best bit of news so far John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesthecat Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 So if everything will be delivered in 2012 is this a scaled down program then to ensure everything can be delivered ie not as ambitious as last year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I'll also throw in some sort of Southampton express pack relating to the centenary of the Ttanic's maiden voyage... Considering the idiocy being shown by the book industry and museums and indicated by television blurbs this is an almost certainty. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Do you think a Titanic commemorative train pack will go down well? ....or sink without a trace? Coat, door...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted December 9, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 9, 2011 Judging by what Pat writes on MREmag this morning the future looks bright (We hope) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Belgian Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Do you think a Titanic commemorative train pack will go down well? ....or sink without a trace? Coat, door...... Well, the 'Titanic' was an 'Olympic', so will we see more Olympics follow her lead? JE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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