Beresford Junction Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Nothing to report over Xmas Noticed that my blog is still getting viewed despite lack of recent entries there too I hope to have something to report shortly, however I’m still looking at wagons and renumbering mk2 coaches. Almost the same as the lack of progress of Beresford Junction. One of these days... Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 I’m currently looking at wagons for an engineering train. I’ve got a couple of Grampus and some seacows but wondering what else would be running around the southern in 1986/1987?? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) I’m currently looking at wagons for an engineering train. I’ve got a couple of Grampus and some seacows but wondering what else would be running around the southern in 1986/1987?? OBA / OCA, etc Here are some going through Didcot in 2004, so they would have been in Railfreight Red / Grey in 85 / 86 ish. Edited January 21, 2018 by Andrew P 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 OBA / OCA, etc Here are some going through Didcot in 2004, so they would have been in Railfreight Red / Grey in 85 / 86 ish. Copy of OBA ETC Didcot 08 08 04 37%.jpg Thanks Andy (hope you are feeling better) Would they have been used in engineering trains then or still on Speedlink? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 You would also have Dogfish, Catfish, Sealions, Seacows, Rudd, and Carp etc. Hornby make some nice Rudd and Carp. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Thanks Andy (hope you are feeling better) Would they have been used in engineering trains then or still on Speedlink? Humm good point, not sure, and yes feeling better for lots of rest thanks. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) You would also have Dogfish, Catfish, Sealions, Seacows, Rudd, and Carp etc. Hornby make some nice Rudd and Carp. Rudd Clam Tope 3 pack https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/shop/wagons-coaches/wagon-packs/rudd-clam-tope-departmental-wagon-three-pack-british-rail-era-8-9.html Looks good possibly too new for 1986/87 Edited January 22, 2018 by ess1uk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 You would also have Dogfish, Catfish, Sealions, Seacows, Rudd, and Carp etc. Hornby make some nice Rudd and Carp. would they be "dutch" livery by 1987? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) would they be "dutch" livery by 1987?Possibly Looking at old photos You see wagons in black, Gulf Red, and green liveries, often in the same train; engineering stock didn't often go near a paint-brush. The so-called 'Dutch' livery appeared in the early 1980s. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/seacow/h23BAB886 Edited January 27, 2018 by ess1uk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) I’m currently looking at wagons for an engineering train. I’ve got a couple of Grampus and some seacows but wondering what else would be running around the southern in 1986/1987?? As well as the sealions and seacows and grampus the Southern also had a fleet of dace and crab for stone traffic from Meldon Quarry. Both types were conversions so I don't think available in mode form, but might be wrong(?). Dace were former shoc-hoods, with the shoc gear removed, crab were former lamprey with new welded sides. Have a look at Paul Bartletts site. Also some crab and dace in the background here https://www.flickr.com/photos/33106/27805044830/in/photolist-nxLaan-6YDiyS-6YDjb3-dauaCR-odAX5d-of2ktK-osW4fU-Jn387E-otsPvy-oeULP8-ownnPP-oeU5o8-8edBRQ-69x29b-vNiSYG-x4uWox-wZVG37 and here is a dace https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruvaboy/8584368493/in/photolist-FgREEW-nxLaan-fxxGCM-fwUBYY-dNB3L7-fw6kfn-6974MA-fx6TVV-fvN4eY-fw6kcM-e5z8Fk-fxLM4y-fxFkTH-dauaCR-fxqosn-fxqovF-fwnpFJ-fxxGz2-fwnpHC-fvxqna-fx6TXz-fw4gVZ-fvEgzG-fx6TRR-fvoatG-fxFkVP-fvgjv9-fxFkXV-fxxGAx-fx3hzW-fw6k8z-fvxqox-fvoars-fwzmZh-fvEgwC-fvxqkP-fvoFe7-fxLM2E-fvEgB5-fxxGxz-fvgjqC-fvgjso-Pv1kNn-qtgKjp-od3Tqy-qt4wkU-zAmVwC-zm3CJJ-r72aMp cheers Edited January 21, 2018 by Rivercider 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Hi Martin. The Clam Tope and Rudd mentioned above are a bit late for 86. I thick they came out 89 90. The Crab wagon is I think available as a kit. I also don't remember seeing Catfish Dogfish and Marmaid wagons in the Eastleigh area on ballast work either though did see some Dogfish down at EH depot presumeaby after repair work. shark ballast ploughs where also banned due ro the juice rail. You could add a Whale ballast hopper to your Seacows, available as a kit from Cambrian. Cheers Peter. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Hi Martin. The Clam Tope and Rudd mentioned above are a bit late for 86. I thick they came out 89 90. The Crab wagon is I think available as a kit. I also don't remember seeing Catfish Dogfish and Marmaid wagons in the Eastleigh area on ballast work either though did see some Dogfish down at EH depot presumeaby after repair work. shark ballast ploughs where also banned due ro the juice rail. You could add a Whale ballast hopper to your Seacows, available as a kit from Cambrian. Cheers Peter. Thanks Peter I found this http://www.ltsv.com/downloads/w_profile_045.pdf which says "Converted 1985-1991 at various works" so they would be very new in my time period Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Thanks Peter I found this http://www.ltsv.com/downloads/w_profile_045.pdf which says "Converted 1985-1991 at various works" so they would be very new in my time period I had a look at the Paul Bartlett wagon site it says introduced 1989. I would trust that website more than others. A few pics for you. 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 27, 2018 Author Share Posted January 27, 2018 The crab looks like a good wagon http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brlamprey/h36E93AAA 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I had a look at the Paul Bartlett wagon site it says introduced 1989. I would trust that website more than others. A few pics for you. great pictures there Peter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 I’m currently looking at wagons for an engineering train. I’ve got a couple of Grampus and some seacows but wondering what else would be running around the southern in 1986/1987?? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/56061-engineering-trains-civil-link-livery/page-1#ipboard_body some good pictures on this thread 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/56061-engineering-trains-civil-link-livery/page-1#ipboard_body some good pictures on this thread There are.I lost some of my reference pictures when I had computer troubles. Slowly finding them again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted July 1, 2018 Author Share Posted July 1, 2018 The ones with the plain white gangway door should be mk2z (or just mk2, i.e. they came before the mk2a). They were the same end doors as on the mk1. I think they generally slid open to the right, except at toilet ends when they were hinged. Re: the spring colours, IIRC the normal use springs on B4s were red, heavier-duty ones on B5s were blue - of course they would only be visible soon after overhaul, they got dirty quite quickly I’ve been looking at pictures of bogies on Mk2s to see if I could spot what colours the springs would be. Found a few that were red but no blue. Painting some of mine red on the cleaner coaches and not bothering on coaches that are weathered. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I’ve been looking at pictures of bogies on Mk2s to see if I could spot what colours the springs would be. Found a few that were red but no blue. Painting some of mine red on the cleaner coaches and not bothering on coaches that are weathered. keefer, on 12 Nov 2016 - 20:38, said: The ones with the plain white gangway door should be mk2z (or just mk2, i.e. they came before the mk2a). They were the same end doors as on the mk1. I think they generally slid open to the right, except at toilet ends when they were hinged. Re: the spring colours, IIRC the normal use springs on B4s were red, heavier-duty ones on B5s were blue - of course they would only be visible soon after overhaul, they got dirty quite quickly Hi ess1uk Interesting...! I've just been going through my 3 billion photos I can only find MK3 with Yellow Springs, MK2 with Red Springs, and the only one I have come across with Blue Springs are on MK1 Test Barrier Coach... interesting, not sure if it helps or not, I'll keep looking at my photos if I can find any MK2's with Blue Springs, I'm on a mission to find Blue springs on a MK2 ha-ha. Interesting 'keefer' said about the springs colours, I've leant something. Regards Jamie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 keefer, on 12 Nov 2016 - 20:38, said: Hi ess1uk Interesting...! I've just been going through my 3 billion photos I can only find MK3 with Yellow Springs, MK2 with Red Springs, and the only one I have come across with Blue Springs are on MK1 Test Barrier Coach... interesting, not sure if it helps or not, I'll keep looking at my photos if I can find any MK2's with Blue Springs, I'm on a mission to find Blue springs on a MK2 ha-ha. Interesting 'keefer' said about the springs colours, I've leant something. Regards Jamie think that mk2 generator vans used with HSTs had B5 bogies which may of had blue springs? I’ve been looking at pictures of bogies on Mk2s to see if I could spot what colours the springs would be. Found a few that were red but no blue. Painting some of mine red on the cleaner coaches and not bothering on coaches that are weathered. how's the coaches coming along? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 how's the coaches coming along? Slowly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted December 25, 2018 Author Share Posted December 25, 2018 Merry Xmas 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Happy Holiday 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 Having just seen this picture http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/544-southern-region-photos-1980s/page-22&do=findComment&comment=3440702 I fear it’s going to get expensive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 Still looking for info on rail freight workings and pictures of trains to model 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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