TerryD1471 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) Amen to that; your coaching stock is coming together very, very nicely, but one of the comments struck a chord with me. There are three words used to describe red and they are maroon, crimson and carmine. I remain in a state of slight confusion, but to my eye, carmine is the lighter shade used for earlier non-corridor stock, vans and the bottom half of "blood & custard" vehicles. Maroon is, I think, the darker shade used for post 1956 coaching stock including non-corridor vehicles repainted and possibly some vans. I am just not sure about crimson; is it maroon, is it carmine or is it something else in the spectrum? I wish someone could clarify this. Yours spectrographically challenged. Terry D PS See edit note , but I am conscious that this might be better placed on your coaching stock page. Edited May 11, 2020 by TerryD1471 See PS 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 3 hours ago, 92220 said: I’ve just posted some photos and descriptions of more carriage bodging in my other thread Coaching Stock for Camden - link in the signature below. Decided I had better shift some unfinished projects before I started any new ones. Iain Lovely work, as always. Only about another 200-odd to go! Good to see you making the most of the ill wind and all that(!) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1BCamden Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Hi Iain, The finish is perfect, the P3’s are amazing 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 92220 Posted January 10, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2021 Well it’s been a fair while. I’ve not been totally lazy: All the scenic side boards are built and ready to go. The section in the foreground includes what will become an opening gate. When I put the hinges on, look heavenwards in hope, and cut it. This was earlier in construction as I was marking out so you can see, I hope, that it’s got potential. Most of the boards are fairly straightforward. 12mm birch ply with a double laminate of 12mm side rails and 12mm cross bracing every 15-24” depending to some extent on what is going above the board. The boards overlap the construction underneath so they are effectively one large piece. I know this will create several problems. But it solves some too. I deliberated long about cutting the plan intricately into sections but to be honest it became so complicated. This is basically a flat earth layout (apart from the start of the slow/DC line dive under) that will never travel anywhere. So making it flat and solid seemed more important than anything. I could add some more photos showing my slightly eccentric, sturdy (though not of Physicsman proportions) methods. If anyone is interested. Not too late to say Happy New Year I hope. Iain 24 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 92220 Posted January 10, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) This end was the complicated bit, where I had to use 9mm ply for intra-board bracing due to the need for curvature. Every joint was drilled, countersunk, glued and screwed. Edited January 10, 2021 by 92220 Posted before completion 30 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 92220 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2021 Making the gate section to enable access to the centre of the layout (not to mention the workbenches) was always going to be a crucial step in this build. I didn’t have much choice where the gate section would go, given the shape of the room and the plan. With 4 mainlines on a gentle reverse curve and the two slow/electric lines descending and then re-ascending, it was not a simple job. There will also be some track added added here to connect to the goods yard so it can be more than a scenic backdrop. Well, a little more only - stay tuned. LNER4479 and I decided a gate section would be more effective than a lifting bridge partly due to the roof slope, but anyway, here is the pictorial story to follow on from last week’s progress. Probably in a couple of consecutive posts Cork laid. It looks like a patchwork. Because it is. But it is smooth and flat. Barrel bolts fixed to (try to) ensure alignment. Cuts made and it works! Iain 8 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 From the other side: Track laid loosely to check alignment of copperclad strips 12 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post 92220 Posted January 17, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2021 Added extra quadrant locks. I aligned the barrel bolts so that opposite ones are at the opposite edges of their tolerances, i.e. when used together they should hold the boards in alignment. I chose to add the extra locks to double the chance of that happening. Any advice welcome. Obviously at the hinge end it works perfectly, but the far end, with diagonal cuts, will be more critical. Apologies for the excessive posting but having a few issues reducing photo size tonight. Iain 25 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark axlecounter Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Hi Iain hope you are ok, that’s a good idea I may have to borrow your idea when I get my shed built. I enjoy reading the topics on here. They give me the inspiration to get me to pull my finger out. regards mark T 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 I have a question, which may be better asked in a separate topic, but I’ll try here first. Camden Mk1 used C&L thin sleeper plain track on the scenic side. I’m not sure how available that is now. It was a bit flimsy but the ballasting effect was good, I think (tell me if it wasn’t?) I have a few lengths of new track left over but not much. And I do need a fair bit to be honest. But either way, I’d like the smoothest transition from Peco Streamline code 75 off scene to the finescale bullhead on the scenic section. I have used code 100 on the gate section and under the workbench for durability, but transition to code 75 beyond. It seems I have more choices now. I am also intrigued by the new OO-SF pointwork that promises to become available soon, which is thick sleepered and would therefore steer me to thick sleepered plain track. If these kits in different sizes come in at £22.95 each, they can be slightly curved to fit the templot plan, they would cut my build time by about 90% and only increase the cost by a little. So for plain track? C&L thick sleeper? With directional keys for the mainlines and alternate/ random for the yard? And 60’ lengths? Peco bullhead? SMP thin sleeper? Can anyone advise which is closest in railhead height to the Peco code 75? Or is the difference so minimal that my carpentry will add far more errors?!? How well does the thick sleepered stuff ballast? Maybe I should just buy a bit of each and test it out, but the combined expertise on here is usually more helpful than I am. thanks in advance, Iain 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark axlecounter Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Iain the peco bullhead is the same height as the peco code 75 flat bottom rail. To join them just use the code 75 rail joiners (the standard flat bottom fishplates) that’s what I used on bucks lane 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 I thought you had used C&L Mark? I was probably mistaken! Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Hi Iain, First of all - WOW! I missed the postings last week so have just caught up with the excitement of the main boards being set out. Clearly a very productive holiday period. And the gate looks great(!). You certainly do a good line in brick-built exterior-lavatorial engineering. I'm sure it'll pay dividends in the long run. Re the track, I think we may already have had this conversation but I'll repeat(?) thoughts here in case it causes others to comment further. I think I questioned whether the mainlines past the shed would still be bullhead, chaired track in the late 1950s ... and I think you produced pictures to show that they were! In which case the Peco Bullhead option is definitely an option. I do find the sleeper spacing to be wider than I thought it would be (probably too conditioned to using Code 75 and Code 100!), although it doesn't look quite so stark once ballasted. The points adopt the style of the sleepers being increasingly at an angle towards the crossing end, rather than at 90 degrees to the straight leg. Someone commented that this is a GWR style (perhaps not too surprising, knowing the manufacturer!). Not sure how important these things are visually to you? When it comes to track, I'm a great believer in 'life's too short', particularly for a big layout. The prime focus and attention for your layout when complete will be the shed itself and will be viewed from the west side (ie shed at the front; running lines at the rear). The mainlines and the trains running on them thus form the backdrop to the scene. Even if your eyes are averted to the mainlines, it'll be to the locos and their trains - not the track! Provided it's laid and ballasted well (which I'm sure it will be) then I really can't see the point (ha!) in handbuilding the track on the mainlines. Save that for the closer up depot area. Although, to be honest, I might even question that in time, mainly because of the general level of detritus and muck covering much of the depot tracks in practice. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted January 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2021 56 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: The points adopt the style of the sleepers being increasingly at an angle towards the crossing end, rather than at 90 degrees to the straight leg. Someone commented that this is a GWR style It was used by all railway companies. It depends on the track layout and traffic over each route. Used for running-line junctions where both routes have equal traffic. Also very common in yards and sidings, and anywhere that track was built on site rather than pre-fabricated -- it makes it much easier to get the chairs in the right place. Not so common nowadays with tamping machines. Martin. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 Thanks Graham and Martin. Yes the mainlines were definitely still bullhead into the early 60’s. I am definitely leaning towards the British Finescale pointwork for the running lines and the shed area, because it will be only slightly more expensive, a hell of a lot faster, and less likely not to work well than if I handbuilt it. The only complex pieces are the scissors crossover off the down fast to the shed, and the characteristic fully checkrailed 3 turnout 2 crossing formation by the turntable. I think these might not be able to be made effectively from the British Finescale kits, so will need to be handbuilt. I have approached an esteemed modeller on this forum who did agree he’d be happy to do these, although it was 2 years ago when I asked him! The plain track throughout will be proprietary, not handbuilt. I was just wondering which to go with. I am assuming thick sleepered track to match the point kits. Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 47 minutes ago, martin_wynne said: It was used by all railway companies. It depends on the track layout and traffic over each route. Used for running-line junctions where both routes have equal traffic. Also very common in yards and sidings, and anywhere that track was built on site rather than pre-fabricated -- it makes it much easier to get the chairs in the right place. Not so common nowadays with tamping machines. Martin. Thanks for that. Looks a bit odd to me when using as part of a crossover formation in a section of double track (ie not a junction), which will be the case for Iain. I have one of the Peco bullhead long radius points to hand but have yet to use it in anger. Will probably be for a siding or loop somewhere when I do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted January 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, LNER4479 said: Looks a bit odd to me when using as part of a crossover formation in a section of double track That's why some folks prefer to build their own track -- you can have prototypical timbering for each location. A crossover in double-track running lines would normally have the timbering square-on, especially in curved track. Square-on timbering helps to prevent gauge-spread -- in such a crossover all the fast heavy traffic will be in the running lines, the crossover road will see only low-speed occasional use. Equalized (skewed) timbering is used where you need strength in both routes. Or in neither, for yards and sidings -- it's easier for timbering layout. cheers, Martin. 1 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark axlecounter Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 13 hours ago, 92220 said: I thought you had used C&L Mark? I was probably mistaken! Iain I did ,but I relayed the front when peco brought out the code 75 bullhead. I had an accident where I caught the end of a baseboard and damaged a section of c&l track at a show so the only thing I could get was peco bullhead. That’s why I had to relay it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 Thank you, Martin. That makes sense. From what I can see, these new kits have square-on timbering so would be ideal for my mainlines? In the yard, most of the timbering will be almost hidden under ash ballast and debris anyway. But I can build a few and use a few kits there. How fast will Wayne be producing the longer versions - C10 etc? Iain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted January 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, 92220 said: How fast will Wayne be producing the longer versions - C10 etc? Hi Iain, Only Wayne can answer that. I suspect it might take him a while to cope with the initial demand for the first kits! Either timbering style is never wrong, unless you are modelling an actual prototype turnout at an actual date. You can find both styles almost anywhere in bullhead days, it's just that the greater likelihood in any given location is as I mentioned. Even in a fast running line you might find equalized timbering, or some hybrid arrangement, where the first turnout is connected to a diamond-crossing or slip. Diamonds and slips are always equalized. It is easier to continue the same style through a formation, in setting out the chairing and rail-joints. cheers, Martin. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerhillboy Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Good stuff Iain, a nice chunk of progress made there. You are really making strides now. It'd be superb to get to see it up and running, which I hope we can do one day 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 92220 Posted January 30, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 Morning all, Gate fully built and functional. I do think I will prefer the brass rod and tube locating pins to transfer power and ensure perfect fine alignment at the southern (diagonal cut) end. If anyone has advice where to get these, I’d be grateful. If I just went with my own ideas, I would buy some 2mm rod and 2 mm ID tube and make them from scratch. Started to lay the Hobby Holidays closed cell foam for the mainlines. I thought it would be worth getting a sense of the overall scene so here are a couple of snaps. Ignore what 46248 is (not) pulling. It’s a random collection of stock. Iain 26 1 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb900f Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 That's a heck of a lot of pointwork to be laid down Iain. Pete 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
92220 Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, cb900f said: That's a heck of a lot of pointwork to be laid down Iain. Pete Hi Pete, Well, yes that’s true I know, but (a) I will just do it bit by bit as it was always going to be a long term project. (b) I hope for a bit of assistance (paid) for the two most complex formations, and (c) Wayne’s new British Finetrax OO-SF point kits will shorten the build time a lot. Assuming they can be available soon enough. Planning to get the mainlines laid and fully functioning before starting on the yard. There is quite a lot of plain track too! Iain 3 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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