Bath Queen Square

[queensquare]

10 hours ago, phil_sutters said:

Apropos of nothing current, I have just come across several pages of photos of the building of Tucking Mill Viaduct, in 'Somerset & Avon Railways in Old Photographs collected by Kevin Robertson' (Alan Sutton Publishing) I expect they have come to your notice - but just in case...........

 

Many thanks  Phil, I am aware that book, fascinating photos but well worth highlighting for those who've not seen it.
 

Jerry

[drduncan]

On 04/02/2019 at 17:39, Nigelcliffe said:

I think Tim's wrong: with modern small motors it's more likely that the heap hides the sound chip.

Or the speaker...

[queensquare]

Managed to grab a couple of hours down the workshop this evening. Cut out a floor from PCB, soldered on some rail and araldited it in place. Next job will be to build up a representation of the pits and lay in a 30 thou floor which will leave the rail head 10 thou proud.

 

A slight cock up on my part is the office/workshop doors at the rear which are measured off the ply base with no allowance for the raised floor - oh well my taller engine crew will just have to duck!!

[queensquare]

I found this very useful picture on line of the shed interior. The office doors are closer to the corner than my guesstimate  and should be four paneled rather than vertical planking but I'll live with that.

The circular section smoke troughs/vents are replacements dating from sometime in the 1940s. The originals were square section and wooden according to photographs.

The walls  are, (or were!),  a light colour, I assume limewashed but judging by the soot build up on the stonework I suspect they weren't repainted very often - if at all.

The flooring looks to be block but I'm not convinced there is enough definition visible to worry about in 2mm. There appears to be some lift out planks just in front of the wagon along with the rail. Any thoughts on why and are they related to the round topped cabinet next to them?

The hoses are for boiler washouts which the shed was predominantly used in later years. I don't intend to go mad with the interior detail but would like to present a 'busy' scene when peering in. I have a non- running loco lined up to be permanently fixed where the wagon is in the photo which will have its smokebox door open.

 

Jerry

 

 

[Ian Smeeton]

Weighing machine, perhaps?

 

Regards

 

Ian

[Kier Hardy]

12 minutes ago, Ian Smeeton said:

Weighing machine, perhaps?

 

Regards

 

Ian

That seems quite likely, as it's located next to the section of track which has separate lengths of rail. Suitable for weighing individual axle loads.

[queensquare]

1 hour ago, Ian Smeeton said:

Weighing machine, perhaps?

 

Regards

 

Ian

 

1 hour ago, Kier Hardy said:

That seems quite likely, as it's located next to the section of track which has separate lengths of rail. Suitable for weighing individual axle loads.

 

Thanks gents, that makes perfect sense and explains the separate bits of rail.

 

Jerry

[Kempenfelt]

40 minutes ago, queensquare said:

 

 

Thanks gents, that makes perfect sense and explains the separate bits of rail.

 

Jerry

Jerry,

 

Yep agree with the previous responses in that it'll be a set of scales for weighing individual axles and setting springs.

 

Interesting piccy as you say, I've seen quite a few from inside Bath shed, but none with that much visible space, there's usually an engine or two in the way! :-) The smoke hood's in the image are the same as those at Barrow Road shed for which Morgan has done a 3D model and printed via Shapeways I think, but not of use to you anyway. I'd imagine the earlier hoods were similar to those at Radstock then.

 

Interesting that both Bath and Radstock shed walls appear to have been white washed entirely, although there does appear to be remnants of a darker lower waist band in the image above, but very faint.

 

Your model's looking very good though! I'm still playing with mock up's of Radstock Shed whereas your crack on and build once approach seems far more productive! :-)

 

Cheers

 

Paul

[Killybegs]

58 minutes ago, Kempenfelt said:

 

 

Your model's looking very good though! I'm still playing with mock up's of Radstock Shed whereas your crack on and build once approach seems far more productive! :-)

 

 

 

At this rate, I would put money on Jerry finishing his layout before you even get started Paul. Come on, stop procrastinating!

[Mulgabill]

9 hours ago, queensquare said:

I found this very useful picture on line of the shed interior. The office doors are closer to the corner than my guesstimate  and should be four paneled rather than vertical planking but I'll live with that.

The circular section smoke troughs/vents are replacements dating from sometime in the 1940s. The originals were square section and wooden according to photographs.

The walls  are, (or were!),  a light colour, I assume limewashed but judging by the soot build up on the stonework I suspect they weren't repainted very often - if at all.

The flooring looks to be block but I'm not convinced there is enough definition visible to worry about in 2mm. There appears to be some lift out planks just in front of the wagon along with the rail. Any thoughts on why and are they related to the round topped cabinet next to them?

The hoses are for boiler washouts which the shed was predominantly used in later years. I don't intend to go mad with the interior detail but would like to present a 'busy' scene when peering in. I have a non- running loco lined up to be permanently fixed where the wagon is in the photo which will have its smokebox door open.

 

Jerry

 

 

Apart from wheighbridge, I seem to recall some sheds had small wheeldrops. Not for removing wheels, but for relieving the weight off springs etc

when the old suspension needed tuning.

 

 

[queensquare]

6 hours ago, Kempenfelt said:

Jerry,

 

Yep agree with the previous responses in that it'll be a set of scales for weighing individual axles and setting springs.

 

Interesting piccy as you say, I've seen quite a few from inside Bath shed, but none with that much visible space, there's usually an engine or two in the way! :-) The smoke hood's in the image are the same as those at Barrow Road shed for which Morgan has done a 3D model and printed via Shapeways I think, but not of use to you anyway. I'd imagine the earlier hoods were similar to those at Radstock then.

 

Interesting that both Bath and Radstock shed walls appear to have been white washed entirely, although there does appear to be remnants of a darker lower waist band in the image above, but very faint.

 

Your model's looking very good though! I'm still playing with mock up's of Radstock Shed whereas your crack on and build once approach seems far more productive! :-)

 

Cheers

 

Paul

Hi Paul,

 

Thanks for your kind comments. I agree, there are many similarities between Bath Midland shed and Radstock. Ive attached a picture of the interior of the latter during its short stint as a preservation center in the early 70s.

 

 

Its jumping ahead a bit but I will probably do to smoke hoods in much the same way as I did them on John G's Wadebridge shed, pictured below.

 

 

As for finishing the layout, that's still an awfully long way off but I am a believer in cracking on rather than constant experimenting and 'mocking up'! 

 

Jerry

[queensquare]

The shed floor of 30 thou is now in place along with the pits, the pictures should make it clear how these were cobbled together from strip wood and plasticard. There are a few little jobs left to do on the main carcass (steps into pits) but most of the final detailing will be done either after, or during the painting stage which wont start until the coal stage and water tower are ready to go to ensure consistency.

Next up is finish off the roof, smoke troughs, roof vents etc.

 

Jerry

[queensquare]

Basic roof vent made last night. Anybody know the proper name for these, I would call it a clerestory.

 

Its a fairly straightforward plasticard box, the photo shows it balanced on the main roof. It will be fixed once framing, ridge and other detail is added.

 

Jerry

 

 

 

 

 

[CF MRC]

I suppose if it had windows, it would be a clerestory,  but as it hasn’t it could be anyone’s guess.  I suspect experts will enlighten us...

 

Tim

Edited February 18, 2019 by CF MRC

[queensquare]

52 minutes ago, CF MRC said:

I suppose if it had windows, it would be a clerestory,  but as it hasn’t it could be anyone’s guess.  I suspect experts will enlighten us...

 

Tim

 

Agreed Tim though I did find this definition.

In architecture, a clerestory (/ˈklɪərstɔːri/ KLEER-stor-ee; lit. clear storey, also clearstory, clearstorey, or overstorey) is a high section of wall that contains windows above eye level. The purpose is to admit light, fresh air, or both.

 

My roof extension admits neither light or fresh air as the vents are represented with a ship-lap type of plasticard which, with a thin, dark wash of paint to settle in the planking represents vents quite well.

 

Jerry

[Kylestrome]

1 hour ago, CF MRC said:

I suppose if it had windows, it would be a clerestory,  but as it hasn’t it could be anyone’s guess.  I suspect experts will enlighten us...

 

Tim

 

Calling  John BS. Your expert knowledge is required!

Edited February 18, 2019 by Kylestrome

[east barnet andy]

while you are at it , will someone tell me how to pronounce "clerestory" ??? . . .is it "clearstory" or "cle-ress -tory" or  . . .

[JohnBS]

Kylestrome and others,

My hunch is that the "clerestory" is a raised ventilation section, probably (originally) with louvres in the sides. These may have been boarded over at a later date. 

BTW, I pronounce the word as "clear-story".

John 

 

[nick_bastable]

it appears they may be  called Monitor  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_(architecture)

 

 

Nick

[CF MRC]

I think that more likely relates to the other side of the pond, Nick.

 

Tim

[2mm Andy]

The former loco shed alongside the East Coast Main Line at Darlington has a similar type (although the roof is hipped at the ends rather than having gable walls).

https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101392356-former-gner-engine-shed-stephenson-ward#.XGrf2aL7SUk

The listing citation describes it as having "a raised louvered ventilator along the apex".

 

Andy

[nick_bastable]

further research has thrown up this 

 

you are correct in assuming the "small roof" running along the ridge of the main roof was for ventilation purposes. Such roof vents have had several appellations, usually dependent upon the railway that constructed them: clerestory, ridge vent, central vent etc., come to mind.

 

http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/X626.htm

 

Nick

 

 

[DLT]

Whatever you call it, it looks great.

[queensquare]

A little more progress with the central, clerestory ridge vent(!) now detailed and fixed in place. Was chatting with a modelling friend yesterday and saying how it had been a couple of years since I last did a substantial building in plasticard and how much I was enjoying it. Hopefully the momentum will keep going and see it finished before the warmer weather sees me returning to the workshop of an evening  as opposed to whittling plastic on my knee in the front room.

 

Jerry

 

[bgman]

Some very nice work there Jerry, especially at this scale.

 

One question, is this modelling possible on your knee due to it being 2mm or have you just got bigger knees than the rest of us ?  

 

G