RMweb Gold Donw Posted July 11, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2012 This is really going to be something special. The overall roof is spectacular on its own! Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 12, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) These couple of pages on the construction of the train shed were originally in a section of their own but I have asked Andy if he would move them to my main Bath Queensquare thread lest they are lost in the mass of other stuff which would be a shame as they contain some good photos and other bits that may be of interest. A couple of years ago my long suffering wife Kim bought me a set of scratch aid etches from Bill Blackburn which covered the tricky, curved girders - albeit in the flat, leaving the modeller to work out how to convert these into the H and I sections that made up the prototype. These sheets sat in my drawer until earlier this year when, after much nagging, I eventualy decided it was about time I got on with them.In this first post I offer up a couple of pictures of the prototype, one from a small collection of Bath pictures that were found at a swap meet. The photographer and date are unknown but I would suggest late 1920's judging by the condition of the roof and the other pictures in the bundle, all of which look to have been taken at the same time - bang in my period.The others are a handful of the many pictures I have taken of the restored roof.Jerry Edited November 4, 2014 by queensquare 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post queensquare Posted July 12, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2012 The scratch aid etches I got (should have taken some pictures but didn't) provided the arches, leaving the modeller to turn the flat, 2D etch, into the 3D H and I section of the prototype. To do this I made up a jig using ply and card to hold thin strips of brass either side of the etch. I cut the first several dozen strips with a straight edge and a stanley knife. This score and snap method of cutting thin metal sheet is perfectly acceptable and very effective for a few pieces but bally hard work and pretty mind knumbing for the sort of numbers I needed so I asked at the club and found a member with a guilotine who agreed to cut me a big bundle of strips in exchange for a few beer tokens! The first three pictures show the very grubby, scorched and flux stained jig after all fourteen main spans had been assembled. Hopefully they are fairly self explanitory. The strips of brass were held captive by the various card formers whilst they were soldered in place - four each side. .3mm nickel silver wire was soldered to the edges of the smaller arches either side of the main ones to stiffen them up and give the characteristic T cross section. The pictures of the arches assembled in the big assembly jig will hopefully make this clear - again I didn't start taking pictures until I had put the basic roof together. The fourth picture is of the jigs I made years ago for building the original plastic roof. They are essentialy the same as those used for doing it in brass but they managed to remain a lot cleaner! I was amazed I still had them, only turning them up the other day whilst having a clear out. The piece of ply with the female cutout was used as a template to ensure all the arches were identical. The bits were then assembled in the jig. The strips across the top are for making up the H section straight girders - the black smudge is all that remains of the same thing on the later brass build jig! The main assembly jig is a piece of melamine with the roof very carefully marked out (see my high tech notes!) with small pieces of card stuck down with double sided selotape to trap the girders in place. Blutack is used to stop them moving around. I used a selection of squares and blocks of wood to hold everything in place whilst the first few tack joints were made. This was a proper fiddle with joints being done and redone until I was happy that it was all square but once I was satisfied it held itself in shape well and it was then just a case of cutting and filing the longitudianl girders to shape, soldering lengths of .3mm NS wire on to stiffen them up, and soldering in place. The pictures show the main roof soldered up but with most of the smaller longitudinal girders still to go in. These two pictures have already appeared in my Bath thread in the 2mm section but I have repeated them here for the sake of completeness. Jerry 31 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted July 12, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) Fantastic Jerry...I was looking forward to seeing this thread evolve when you mentioned it earlier. Just one thing...is that beautiful roof structure now relegated to become a carpark...albeit a very nice one? Seems such a waste of a great space... Edited July 12, 2012 by bcnPete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted July 12, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2012 Amazing work, Jerry, brilliantly executed! Pete - yes, it's a car park these days for the adjacent Sainsburys, who paid for the restoration of the main buildings and roof back in 1982. There used to be (probably still are) events held under the roof, ranging from a Saturday market to the parking of a 7F (on a low-loader) for a few days in 2006... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 12, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2012 (edited) Fantastic Jerry...I was looking forward to seeing this thread evolve when you mentioned it eralier. Just one thing...is that beautiful roof structure now relegated to become a carpark...albeit a very nice one? Seems such a waste of a great space... Afraid so although in the early eighties it looked like it might become scrap metal as it, and the station were falling down. It is used rgularly as a covered market and, although I would much rather see trains there, Sainsburys did do a good job on the restoration. The drawings I used for the station building, and am using for the roof, are those drawn up by the architects who worked for Sainsburys on the restoration project, Jerry Edited July 12, 2012 by queensquare 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted July 12, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2012 Pete - yes, it's a car park these days for the adjacent Sainsburys, who paid for the restoration of the main buildings and roof back in 1982. There used to be (probably still are) events held under the roof, ranging from a Saturday market to the parking of a 7F (on a low-loader) for a few days in 2006... Afraid so although in the early eighties it looked like it might become scrap metal as it, and the station were falling down. It is used rgularly as a covered market and, although I would much rather see trains there, Sainsburys did do a good job on the restoration. Thanks Capt'n / Jerry Fair play to Sainsburys for paying for the refurb...and at least when used as a market it looks a credible use of the space...but a carpark 6 days a week (During my years working spent working at Norman Fosters studio I spent 18 months on the St Pancras Eurostar terminus so get all emotional about beautiful roof structures every now and again) Sorry to drift off topic Jerry... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post queensquare Posted July 12, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2012 Anyway, just poured myself a little whiskey to help this last post along so go easy on me! At the weekend I finished the main soldering on the train shed and gingerly removed it from the jig for its first trial fitting to the station building. To my great delight it fitted like a glove. It should do as the station building, roof and etches were all done using the same set of drawings but thats no guarantee that i wouldn't c****k things up in the meantime. The cocktail sticks and blutack are obviously only temporary and the track panels are also only loosely laid in place. The final picture shows the original plastic roof which is now redundant - and falling apart! Jerry 34 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 12, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2012 (During my years working spent working at Norman Fosters studio I spent 18 months on the St Pancras Eurostar terminus so get all emotional about beautiful roof structures every now and again) Sorry to drift off topic Jerry... Not at all Pete, St Pancras, now theres a roof.................. Jerry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted July 12, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2012 c****k things up Either that word is not what I thought it was...or the whiskey is kicking in... Seriously though Jerry...if I could have built a roof half as good as your plasticard version I would be a very happy chappy.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 12, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2012 Thanks Don. I have decided to enter the trainshed roof for the 2012 challenge so further progress on the build will now be in this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/58901-bath-queen-square-green-park-trainshedoverall-roof/page__fromsearch__1 I will still put pictures of it in this thread along with all other progress. I have dug out a load of pictures of the stable block and stable cottage from Bath which I forgot I had taken so when I have sorted them I will post some up. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointstaken Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 A classy piece of workmanship, Jerry. You can be proud of it. Like bcnPete, if I could produce work like that I'd be jolly proud of it. Dennis 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardL Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 So that's why you looked like the cat that had stolen the cream on Monday night. Look forwards to seeing all the farmers market stalls in 2mm! Richard 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted July 13, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2012 Wow, that is stunning, that is going to be quite some model when finished. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 13, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2012 So that's why you looked like the cat that had stolen the cream on Monday night. Look forwards to seeing all the farmers market stalls in 2mm! Richard Must admit I was feeling pretty pleased with myself. When I did the Bath demo at Warley a couple of years ago I set up a swear box for all those who asked when I was going to build Sainsburys etc - I did make 50p! Jerry 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted July 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2012 Must admit I was feeling pretty pleased with myself. ..............and so you should! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iL Dottore Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Wow, that's amazing..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post queensquare Posted July 24, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2012 As promised a few pics of the stable block, Midland cottage and a couple of the road vehicles I made around that time. They were taken in the kitchen of our previous house so are at least six of seven years ago. Jerry 30 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Copleston Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Superb, Jerry. You seem to have at least half the scenic side of the layout already done in sections and waiting for instalment! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 25, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2012 Superb, Jerry. You seem to have at least half the scenic side of the layout already done in sections and waiting for instalment! Thanks Phil. I have been making all sorts of bits and pieces for the layout for years, not just stock but buildings, road vehicles, platform furniture and all manner of stuff. The idea was that when I eventually had the time and space to get stuck in to the project it would be like assembling a big kit. The other great advantage, particularly with a project of this size, is that there is such a wide variety of stuff to be made that boredom is unlikely to set in. As for half the scenic bits already done - I wish!! Jerry 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
devondynosoar118 Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 (edited) Loved the Midland dray, my grandmother can remember seeing them in Bath when she was a young girl. Edited July 25, 2012 by devondynosoar118 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DLT Posted July 25, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2012 Superb modelling Jerry, Dave.T 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Copleston Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Thanks Phil. I have been making all sorts of bits and pieces for the layout for years, not just stock but buildings, road vehicles, platform furniture and all manner of stuff. The idea was that when I eventually had the time and space to get stuck in to the project it would be like assembling a big kit. The other great advantage, particularly with a project of this size, is that there is such a wide variety of stuff to be made that boredom is unlikely to set in. As for half the scenic bits already done - I wish!! What's amazing, Jerry, is that it's very hard to tell from the photos what scale these models are, with no scale give-aways. In my book that's always a good sign of modelling excellence. And I like your approach to a modelling magnum opus - break it down into sub-projects and seek out variety to keep stagnation at bay. Good advice. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Smith Posted July 25, 2012 Share Posted July 25, 2012 Lovely modelling Jerry. As Phil says, unless you knew this was 2mm there is nothing that gives away the scale. What have you used for the stone walling and the cobbles? Ian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted July 25, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2012 Lovely modelling Jerry. As Phil says, unless you knew this was 2mm there is nothing that gives away the scale. What have you used for the stone walling and the cobbles? Ian Thanks all. The stone walling on the stables is Slaters, the cobbles are carved filler (never again!). Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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