Andy Y Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 New chassis upgrades for Farish GWR pannier tanks The Graham Farish GWR 0-6-0 pannier tank locomotives of the 57xx and 8750 classes are to receive a new chassis. The 57xx will appear in London Transport red livery as No. L97 (371-909) and the 8750 Class as No. 4656 in BR black with late crest. (371-935). Features include; • New mechanism with micro motor • See through spoked wheels • Electrical bearing pick-up on all three axles Each model has a recommended retail price of £66.80 and will be introduced over the next 18 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted March 13, 2012 Share Posted March 13, 2012 Good to see a new chassis at this size, the models themselves always looked nice and I've a couple of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted March 13, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2012 I assume this will make it DCC ready.Otherwise I don't see the point in upgrading just the chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted March 13, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2012 Shame they are not doing a full upgrade. Whilst the body is not bad it's not up to the standard of modern offerings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elvinley Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 If they added wire handrails and buffer beam details it would make a vast improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Rather disappointed here as this seems a missed opportunity. Not being DCC-ready is a shame although I can understand the restriction (although the 3MT managed to fit a socket in and is only a bit bigger). The benefit of an upgraded chassis is largely lost if the old body is being used. The model does not look significantly improved over the older one. The best advantage of the new micro-motor might have been if this allowed daylight to be seen under the boiler but by sticking with the old body they are not getting this advantage either. IMHO Farish have missed a trick here. They could have produced a new class of Pannier that has not been available before (54/6400 perhaps?) to really get the benefit of the new chassis. The new chassis could then have also been supplied with other Panniers and the bodies upgraded in due course. As it is, will many modellers switch their old models for new ones on the basis of an improved chassis? I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 IMHO Farish have missed a trick here. They could have produced a new class of Pannier that has not been available before (54/6400 perhaps?) to really get the benefit of the new chassis. The new chassis could then have also been supplied with other Panniers and the bodies upgraded in due course. You might have stumbled upon the Bachmann gameplan here, they're just doing the new chassis first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Modeller Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Personally, I think it would be worth it just for the see-through spokes on the wheels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Having looked at pictures I think I've found the answer, but perhaps one of the buffs could confirm for me please - these Pannier tanks have the middle set of wheels nearer to the front set than the back, so putting this under a Jinty wouldn't be correct? (as the axles on that are equally set apart) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Al Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Having looked at pictures I think I've found the answer, but perhaps one of the buffs could confirm for me please - these Pannier tanks have the middle set of wheels nearer to the front set than the back, so putting this under a Jinty wouldn't be correct? (as the axles on that are equally set apart) In a word, yes. The wheelbases of Jinty and 57xx are different, hence they have different chassis block castings and different length rods. Regards, Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave777 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Okay, thanks. I'll scotch that plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 As a GWR modeller/enthusiast as well as being a London Transport enthusiast, discovering that Farish is going to release a pannier in LT livery is fantastic news! I have been considering a livery conversion of my own, but upon hearing this I shall await further development. Let's hope they make an appearence soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted March 16, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2012 As a GWR modeller/enthusiast as well as being a London Transport enthusiast, discovering that Farish is going to release a pannier in LT livery is fantastic news! I have been considering a livery conversion of my own, but upon hearing this I shall await further development. Let's hope they make an appearence soon. Farish have done this livery in the past, if you hunt about you can occasionally find them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Farish have done this livery in the past, if you hunt about you can occasionally find them. That's interesting to know, I'll certainly keep an eye out for them, as I am considering a LT layout as a future idea. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MPR Posted March 17, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 17, 2012 I wonder if there is an opportunity here for a state-of-the-art bodyline kit to take advantage of these mechanics. This wheelbase and wheel size is common to not just the 57xx/8750, but also the 94xx, and the 1854/2721 and similar earlier pannier tanks (and saddle tanks). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Charon Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'd be really quite excited about this... if I didn't have to sell up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Thumper Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 This is great news! better reliability and a reissue of the LT livery! at least you won't have to pay stupid money for a LT livered engine anymore! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreamnos Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 As it is, will many modellers switch their old models for new ones on the basis of an improved chassis? I doubt it. I think you are correct. All my 0-6-0 Bachfar tank engines are suberb runners despite having a mechanism design that is positively ancient by today's standards. I will not upgrade just to get wheels with see through spokes. Pickup is already on all three axles, though the new bearing pickup mentioned would cetainly eliminate the ugly brass wiper system used up to now. As for the folks getting all excited about the LT liverly, yes, Poole issued that liverly as a Limited Edition of 500 or so back in the 1990s. Once in a blue moon you see one of them listed on a certain auction site. The prices they command are no cheaper than the 66 quid the new release will sell for! Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Harbour Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I suspect I may end up buying at least one once they come out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-Fanatic Posted April 30, 2012 Share Posted April 30, 2012 Quick question really, apart from the standard GWR or LT livery Would there be any consideration of an NCB livery Pannier of this class in the future? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atso Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Has anyone heard if Farish is still looking to go ahead with this upgrade after Dapol's announcement of a all new Pannier tank? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreamnos Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Has anyone heard if Farish is still looking to go ahead with this upgrade after Dapol's announcement of a all new Pannier tank? Funny you should ask this as I had just been wondering the same thing. Given that Hattons are taking pre-orders for the Dapol model at £55 and the Farish one for £56.78, that the pictures of the Dapol one suggest it is near ready while the Farish one could still be more than a year away, and that Dapol is offering more liveries (including the LU maroon one) I think Dapol have won this round between the two competitors. From what I've seen so far, I don't think the dated cast metal Farish body can hold a candle to the new Dapol one, though it might make it a better puller. All that said, I suspect Farish will continue with its version. At the very least it gives them something to put in trainsets. But we'll just have to see. Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 From what I've seen so far, I don't think the dated cast metal Farish body can hold a candle to the new Dapol one, though it might make it a better puller. Probably true although given what Dapol have achieved with the Terrier, I suspect their Pannier should be able to comfortably handle a prototypical train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteswan Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Has anyone heard of any updates as to whether Farish are still going ahead with their updated 57xx or have they ditched it? Caz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-missy- Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Hi Caz. I have heard from Farish that they are not continuing with it because of the Dapol release. Missy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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