Adam Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Halling near Southampton Sort of, relative to the Humber, yes. Halling is rather nearer Rochester however. It was also, I believe, an APCM works* (latterly Cemex in this case) rather than Rugby Cement, though my evidence for this relies on a quick Google. Adam *Assuming that there was only a single works of course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 but I understand the internal arrangements (and no doubt discharge as well) were different Yes, they had two silos and two separate discharge 'oles. As a result of the internal separation there's more external pipes and valves. - http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p2919217.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Sort of, relative to the Humber, yes. Halling is rather nearer Rochester however. It was also, I believe, an APCM works* (latterly Cemex in this case) rather than Rugby Cement, though my evidence for this relies on a quick Google. Adam *Assuming that there was only a single works of course... Halling was Rugby, and the last Rugby works to send out cement by rail, to Greenford in West London. It was between Cuxton and Halling. APCM had a plant a bit further towards Maidstone, at Holborough- this was between Halling and Snodland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Thanks Brian - don't know the Kent cement industry all that well, beyond that there was a lot of it... Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Thanks Brian - don't know the Kent cement industry all that well, beyond that there was a lot of it... Adam And now there's none at all...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 I might have been thinking of Swaythling, where they make that other icon, the Transit. There's a connection, in my head... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I might have been thinking of Swaythling, where they make that other icon, the Transit. There's a connection, in my head... Possibly you had in mind the distribution depot at Bevois Park, just down the hill from Swaythling (and, as it happens from where I type this), which the colour scheme suggests was a Rugby site. Now gone of course, as has most of the associated yard, which is gradually being turned over to housing. W're not sure how long the ransit plant will be there either at the present time. http://linesidephotosthebrera.fotopic.net/p42207265.html Nice rake of Shockhoods (what did they become? Dace was it?) and rebodied Lamphrey too. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Possibly you had in mind the distribution depot at Bevois Park, just down the hill from Swaythling (and, as it happens from where I type this), which the colour scheme suggests was a Rugby site. Now gone of course, as has most of the associated yard, which is gradually being turned over to housing. W're not sure how long the ransit plant will be there either at the present time. http://linesidephotosthebrera.fotopic.net/p42207265.html Nice rake of Shockhoods (what did they become? Dace was it?) and rebodied Lamphrey too. Adam Bevois was Tunnel, according to my 'Baker' from the mid-1980s- Rugby and Blue Circle were at Northam, which is where the Siemens depot is now, I believe. Shochoods did become Dace- a few years earlier, Paul Bartlett has photos of them in revenue use at Bevois Park with copper ingots on board. Were these destined for the Pirelli plant by the docks, I wonder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Bevois was Tunnel, according to my 'Baker' from the mid-1980s- Rugby and Blue Circle were at Northam, which is where the Siemens depot is now, I believe. Shochoods did become Dace- a few years earlier, Paul Bartlett has photos of them in revenue use at Bevois Park with copper ingots on board. Were these destined for the Pirelli plant by the docks, I wonder? Not being a native of Southampton and having only lived here for three years I wouldn't claim to know (hence taking a guess on the colour of the silo!), but I think you're correct with the site of Northam yard . You mean this one? http://www.gallery6801.fotopic.net/p724101.html Pirelli is certainly possible, and Bevois Park would be a likely tranship point by that time though there's no shortage of industry in Soton that might, at one time, have had a use for copper ingots. Sorry, this is going a bit off topic! Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Not being a native of Southampton and having only lived here for three years I wouldn't claim to know (hence taking a guess on the colour of the silo!), but I think you're correct with the site of Northam yard . You mean this one? http://www.gallery6801.fotopic.net/p724101.html Pirelli is certainly possible, and Bevois Park would be a likely tranship point by that time though there's no shortage of indstry in Soton that might, at one time, have had a use for copper ingots. Sorry, this is going a bit off topic! Adam Not that far off-topic- there's Presflos in the background.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Ian - thanks , I hadn't spotted Andy's reference - may be a possibility then! Bit more on the old forum Rich - found it whilst looking for something else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Slightly off-thread but ShocHood B & DACE - now's there's a kit that Parkside should do - anybody know how to let that nice Scottish Gent know ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Slightly off-thread but ShocHood B & DACE - now's there's a kit that Parkside should do - anybody know how to let that nice Scottish Gent know ?? They'd have to tool up a new underframe. However, I think said underframe is the same one that a certain other manufacturer, and occasional contributor here, uses for his MDV kit. I think I've already suggested this to him- would someone else like a go? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 They'd have to tool up a new underframe. However, I think said underframe is the same one that a certain other manufacturer, and occasional contributor here, uses for his MDV kit. I think I've already suggested this to him- would someone else like a go? Only similar Brian (as I've recently discovered...). Wheelbase and axleguards, etc. are the same but the Vees and other brake details are rather different - even to the 1/119 which had the same twin cylinder and changeover lever arrangement. Obviously, there are the SAB bits on the Chivers underframe. Parkside already have the solebars with the right shaped Vees in the right place, but since it came from the 21 ton hopper, long link brake gear. If all this sounds too detailed for idle speculation, that's because I had the same thought! Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel_H Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 I don't have the picture availble to post as it's with our printers, but in the March Steam World magazine (out on Feb 19) - sorry for the plug, not intended - there will be a picture (colour) of '9F' 92042 at Hadley Wood on 16/4/60 an up mixed freight with six bright yellow, slightly work-stained, Presflo wagons, all coupled together. They are not close-up in shot, but are clearly visible, behind the first five vehicles (4w box vans). Hope this helps. (the other vans and 9F are filthy, of course). Mel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Thanks for the heads up Mel, sounds worth looking out for :icon_thumbsup2: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
28ten Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 There is also a B&W shot in Western Region Diesel Hydaulics (Bradford Barton) p27 of 'Druid' hauling a train of presflos in Blue Circle livery and they would appear to be yellow, but I am open to correction if anybody else has a copy to hand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 These wagons must have been around when Paul Bartlett was in short trousers, as there aren't any photos on his site... Hornby-Dublo obviously thought such things existed, however, as their S-D range included a Presflo branded 'SALT' in ICI's distinctive dark greeny-blue (though I can't remember if it carried ICI ownership details) I have a feeling I may have something in the 'archive', but it'll have to wait until tomorrow as I'm off to bed (up at 04:20 tomorrow) I've had a crack at hacking a perfectly good wagon into a twin silo variety for salt use in the blog - http://www.rmweb.co....n-silo-presflo/ I'm still after any snaps in salt livery if anyone can point the way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBelcher Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 The bulk salt Presflo certainly existed outside of the Binns Road factory; the Dublo version carried the proper branding whereas Tri-ang's TT version, though the correct colour, did not. Paul Bartlett does have some pics (http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c121408.html), but none in ICI transport blue as the main traffic they were built for (operating out of ICI Stoke Prior near Droitwich Spa) ended in 1964, and Stoke Works itself went over to polymer manufacture in 1972. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefreight Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Hi Andy The old BR/OPC photo collection had at least a couple of b/w pics of B888094, one of the standard Presflos to be painted in ICI 'BULK SALT' livery. The prints are undated but are thought to have been taken circa 1956 at Over & Wharton. The wagon is lettered 'EMPTY TO WINSFORD &/OVER (C.L.C.)', which was the branding on most of the 20 standard Presflos initially allocated to salt traffic. When the first batch of twenty purpose-built bulk salt Presflos were delivered 14 had the same branding while the other were lettered for return empty to Runcorn. As noted above the traffic lasted until 1964. Do we know what ICI used the stuff for at Stoke Prior? David R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Hi Andy The old BR/OPC photo collection had at least a couple of b/w pics of B888094, one of the standard Presflos to be painted in ICI 'BULK SALT' livery. The prints are undated but are thought to have been taken circa 1956 at Over & Wharton. The wagon is lettered 'EMPTY TO WINSFORD &/OVER (C.L.C.)', which was the branding on most of the 20 standard Presflos initially allocated to salt traffic. When the first batch of twenty purpose-built bulk salt Presflos were delivered 14 had the same branding while the other were lettered for return empty to Runcorn. As noted above the traffic lasted until 1964. Do we know what ICI used the stuff for at Stoke Prior? David R Is it possible that the wagons were actually used for salt traffic from Stoke Prior? I recollect that there was salt extraction in the area around Droitwich, though I'm not sure when it ceased. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Thanks David(s), Stoke Prior was a salt source rather than using it. http://www.miac.org.uk/ici.htm and http://www.miac.org.uk/saltunion2.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefreight Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 If working from Stoke Prior why brand them for return to Cheshire. By the way do we know what is the source for them ever working to/from Stoke Prior?? David R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBelcher Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 If working from Stoke Prior why brand them for return to Cheshire. By the way do we know what is the source for them ever working to/from Stoke Prior?? David R I'm merely quoting from the comments about the real-life wagons in Michael Foster's HD book; apologies if any errors have been passed on. I think the Stoke Prior flow may have been to the Avonmouth area (where ICI and successors had sizeable chemical plants; impure salt is an important raw material for umpteen chlorine-based chemicals). It may well have been that the fleet was split between that run and working in the Cheshire salt fields. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefreight Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I'm merely quoting from the comments about the real-life wagons in Michael Foster's HD book; apologies if any errors have been passed on. I think the Stoke Prior flow may have been to the Avonmouth area (where ICI and successors had sizeable chemical plants; impure salt is an important raw material for umpteen chlorine-based chemicals). It may well have been that the fleet was split between that run and working in the Cheshire salt fields. David Hi David I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the Michael Foster book you refer to. Do you know if it contain photographs of the wagons at Stoke Prior? David R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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