Bob Reid Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Hi Bob; Yes, as 27008 had been announced as a running number for the forthcoming release, it stirred some memories. As a result, I was in a discussion with Dave about the period when 27007 &27008 ran with centre windows plated over (a period of roughly 2-3 years between 80-82ish IIRC). It was a sufficiently significant timescale for it to be a factor in the later lives of the class.... http://www.rmweb.co....ass-26-and-27/# (scroll down the page for example pics) As for cab doors, these are/were interchangeable with a Class 26 so happened occasionally, but was usually short lived, so I'm not factoring in that particular variance for historical accuracy of the forthcoming model. Now about sliding vs droplight cab windows, electrification flash placement, white headcodes, Derby Works cabside numbers, large/normal bodyside numbers, cab end numbers (27001 in is final days) Stags,Castles or Westies (of various sizes) and 27056 with its white stripe, then the 27/2s with ETH connections!!! Nah...quite a boring class in BR Blue really.. Later; STU from EGDL Hopefully (for the 2mm scale modellers at least) they'll avoid all the out of the ordinary ones - mainly from the early 80s to withdrawal, when they eventually went down to a zero budget for repairs (which is why some ended up withdrawn for seemingly minor repairs). Heljan (for me at least) for the 4mm models chose variants for a fairly broad range making it easy enough to add on the little oddities that appeared in the later years - like the blanked out cab screen.... and the odd transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor H Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Its makes commercial sense for Dapol to do them with running numbers fitted, people will always buy re issues of a loco just because it has a different running number. Modelers who want a different running number will change it. But I think probably 80% plus will be more than happy with the number on the loco, as has been the way in any scale. And if it means we get a rtr class 08 for under £200, them I'm all for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Maybe Dapol will consider ..... a decent autocoupling to save messing about with 3-link coulings would be a great idea too! No no no!!! One of the major reasons I moved into O Scale was because of 3-links..!! I wanted to use 'scale' couplings, but having faffed about with 'em in 4mm scale years ago, just couldn't do it in the small scales again..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Great news Dapol, I have just bought your OO Gauge 22 and I am very pleased with it and as I have just started an O Gauge plank the 08 will be on order soon. Great Great Great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 This shows we really need more compact points in O gauge than the Peco ones, otherwise for those 'plank' layouts you'll be building your own. Peco points are the equivalent of "medium radius" in OO - 6ft radius in O. Whilst I agree that the points at 16" long do seem long, the difficulty is that if you use shorter ones then if you aren't careful you'll end up running on the equivalent of setrack points, which of course doesn't lend itself well to realistic scale running plus 6' radius is the minimum recommended for longer wheelbase locos in the same way that most longer modern OO stock isn't designed for less than radius 2 curves. If you're just running an 08 and short wheelbase 4 wheel wagons then you will probably get away with shorter points - but only if the 08 is the only thing you're ever likely to want to run. A lot of O gauge layouts are imaginatively designed to make the most of the space. Although you can get 4ft radius and 3 way points from Marcway, they are more expensive of course than the Peco ones. As much as I'd like to have some tighter points for use within, for example, a factory complex where main line locos never venture, I think O gauge rtr trackwork is possibly a step too far for Dapol. However, I'd be happy for Dave to prove me wrong... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Just because they've already made a lovely Beattie Well Tank in 4mm there's no reason to think it might be their first venture into 'O'' Gauge steam locos is there........................................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warspite Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 It's great to see so much interest for what looks like a very significant entry by Dapol in the 7mm RTR locomotive market. The 08 seems to be an excellent choice for those of us with limited space who still want to model the BR scene. Of course, post-BR industrial use of 08s (coal, stone etc.) gives even more opportunities. Can't wait for this one! Now if only the class 22 could feature in their plans ........... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D605Eagle Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Congratulations for completely missing the point! And you spectacularly missed mine, but never mind, some people got it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu from EGDL Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Hopefully (for the 2mm scale modellers at least) they'll avoid all the out of the ordinary ones - mainly from the early 80s to withdrawal, when they eventually went down to a zero budget for repairs (which is why some ended up withdrawn for seemingly minor repairs). Heljan (for me at least) for the 4mm models chose variants for a fairly broad range making it easy enough to add on the little oddities that appeared in the later years - like the blanked out cab screen.... and the odd transfers. Hi Bob; Agreed, in that a 'bog-standard' release (in blue for me) is the best way ahead. The esoteric details are best left applied by the modeller. The only variable being the number size, ie standard or Eastfield 'larger' numbers. I'm happy for no depot emblems to be applied but would be looking for some snowploughs in the box!! The 'depot specials' eg 27056 can be safely left to traders and Dapol Club members for now. Later; STU from EGDL PS to Mods...Any chance of splitting this into scale specific threads??? It's getting hard to follow individual conversations! (Ta!!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 An 08 GFYE late crest for me - un-numbered please as the likeyhood of getting the correct number is slim. Also some have mentioned that, psychologically at least, 'scrapping' numbers off of the side of an immaculatly painted 7mm scale loco, scares 'em...True Dapol may make more money with various number/livery releases, yet I wonder just how many 08's each 'average modeller' will have (1 or 2 I would guess??). I have the feeling that the debate on numbered/un-numbered 08's will carry on.... Still think, with a green, late crest 08, that such requires FYE's and 'Wasp Stripes' (thanks Chris for narrowing that down in my befuddled mind!). A 'modern Pannier' 57xx/8750 would be nice at that sorta price too.... As shunting type locos they will have to run well too.. Exciting times!!!! ATB CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Hi Bob; Agreed, in that a 'bog-standard' release (in blue for me) is the best way ahead. The esoteric details are best left applied by the modeller. The only variable being the number size, ie standard or Eastfield 'larger' numbers. I'm happy for no depot emblems to be applied but would be looking for some snowploughs in the box!! The 'depot specials' eg 27056 can be safely left to traders and Dapol Club members for now. Later; STU from EGDL PS to Mods...Any chance of splitting this into scale specific threads??? It's getting hard to follow individual conversations! (Ta!!) +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 A 'modern Pannier' 57xx/8750 would be nice at that sorta price too.... Yes indeedy..!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLD Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Slightly O/T Just a thought on the 'un-numbered' option; Peco did that with some versions of their N gauge Jubilee, with transfers for the (complete) numbers and nameplates for 4 different locos included in the box. Sounds great on paper, but a big proportion of those that turn up second hand have the name from one loco (usually 'Leander') but the number from another, and of course the rest of the transfer sheet has long since been lost... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I havent pre ordered yet as I would like to see the model first (08) I would like a black EC and a green LC wasp stripe. I hope this is a great model, well done Dapol and it goes to show that it does not have to be expensive just because its O gauge. Very interested to see whats to come next. If Dapol could produce a 4.6.0 for £350 i think they would sell loads. Again just because its O it does not have to made from metal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibuchan Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Its makes commercial sense for Dapol to do them with running numbers fitted, people will always buy re issues of a loco just because it has a different running number. Modelers who want a different running number will change it. But I think probably 80% plus will be more than happy with the number on the loco, as has been the way in any scale. And if it means we get a rtr class 08 for under £200, them I'm all for it. [quote ]O gauge 7D010001 Class 08 shunter #D3048 BR Green with late crest, no yellow warning panels 7D010002 Class 08 shunter #13115 BR Green with early crest, no yellow warning panels From what has been said above I think that it would be worthwhile Dapol changing the Late crest version to one with the FYE and wasp stripes, because, as it has been said, if someone wants a all green no yellow but with a late crest to renumber and logo a loco is not a huge job but to try and wasp stripe the bonet end of an 08 is very hard. This is just my idea to spread the field and see which area sells the best. what is the point of having 2 locos that could be the same apart from the number and crest. Alistair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br-nse-fan Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 PS to Mods...Any chance of splitting this into scale specific threads??? It's getting hard to follow individual conversations! (Ta!!) Seconded! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold bcnPete Posted March 29, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2012 Seconded! I think there is now a separate Dapol 27 thread in existence... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
essexexpress Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Hey If Dapol can upscale the N 73 to OO when are they going to do the same with their 86? Bring it on........ Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 If Dapol can upscale the N 73 to OO when are they going to do the same with their 86? I would hope they do rather better than that - for example, the rainstrip round the cab front is completely level on their N gauge 73. I hope they might redo the N gauge one once they've designed a really good 4mm version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Hey If Dapol can upscale the N 73 to OO when are they going to do the same with their 86? When Hornby demonstrably don't do anything about the situation... so a year or two I'd say... Bring it on........ With you there... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Hi chaps, The OO class 73 isnt an upscale of the N gauge one. It's a completely new cad/cam taken from a laser scan and yes it has the rain strip. hope this helps cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gelboy45 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 So Dave , can we expect a new N scale 73 too? ;O))) Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Can you put the rumour mill to bed Dave and confirm there is no Class 87 AC being planned in 00. I wont point fingers but Ive heard this twice now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 You might have to hang on Thane o' WotAndyYsaid - These announcements for the show are ahead of their new catalogue planned for April when further announcements will be made. You never know! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Thats interesting i hadnt spotted the earlier reference to further announcements so yes I suppose it could be good news. Certainly be great to run another quality AC alongside the new Bachmann Class 85s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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