SP Steve Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 On 16/05/2020 at 19:09, anroar53 said: I remember there were two at St. Pancras in use in the late 1970s, seemed to have been converted from some old Stanier Full Brakes, and I think they were painted in plain rail blue at this time. During the Steam Heat period one was on the stops of Siding 8 between platforms 4 & 5, and the other was on the stops of either Siding A or B between platforms 2 and 3. I remember seeing them in action on a Sunday morning after finishing night shift. There would be a plume of steam going up into the roof showing they were running. They would disappear during the Summer, which may have been for their annual check ? Plat 139 of "LMS Coaches - An Illustrated History" by Jenkinson / Essery depicts a nice view of BR Heating Van M44420M which it lists as being converted from a 1925/6 all steel vestibule third coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) Steam Heasting vans were used in the early dasys of the electrified WCML. the AL1 - 6 locos did not have steam heating boilers, so the vans provided the heating for non-eletric coaches Edited May 20, 2020 by Pandora Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Pandora said: in the late 1980s I recall seeing a few of the steam heat vans in Lincolnshire, either Frodingham or immingham depot I think this is the type of steam heat van I recall at the depot in tje late 1980s That was a late survivor I remember seeing it out of service at Immingham in 97 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 19, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Pandora said: in the late 1980s I recall seeing a few of the steam heat vans in Lincolnshire, either Frodingham or immingham depot I think this is the type of steam heat van I recall at the depot in tje late 1980s That was a late survivor I remember seeing it out of service at Immingham in 97 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, russ p said: That was a late survivor I remember seeing it out of service at Immingham in 97 Can anyone hazard a guess as to the history of this boiler van A major conversion from a horsebox such as a major rebody, note the flat slab sides, I thought BR horseboxes sides were curved to match coach profiles. Edited May 20, 2020 by Pandora Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted May 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2020 On 15/05/2020 at 14:00, russ p said: Did the ex 31/0 keep working boilers? I thought they were just ETH they were only ever steam heat fitted from new until being withdrawn late 70's, early 80's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pandora said: Can anyone hazard a guess as to the history of this boiler van A major conversion from a horsebox such as a major rebody, note the flat slab sides, I thought BR horseboxes sides were curved to match coach profiles. Some info here: http://www.departmentals.com/departmental/321073 Apparently the body was built on an ex LNER plate wagon. E250919 Edited May 20, 2020 by 37114 Clarity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I believe some used ex-SR 21t Loco-Coal wagon underframes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2020 6 hours ago, young37215 said: they were only ever steam heat fitted from new until being withdrawn late 70's, early 80's. On conversion to pre heating units they were ETH, but not sure if they also had steam heat capability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2020 8 hours ago, Pandora said: Can anyone hazard a guess as to the history of this boiler van A major conversion from a horsebox such as a major rebody, note the flat slab sides, I thought BR horseboxes sides were curved to match coach profiles. I remember seeing a few of these at Norwich in the early 80s then at the end of the 80s a few turned up at thornaby no idea what for but seemed to hang about for a while then I presume went to TJ Thompson for scrapping. A few seem to have gone into preservation with the misguided view that they can be used in a passenger train to heat it. They cant be part of a train unless the water tanks are drained as I assume full tanks puts them overweight and are not baffled for use on the move Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 From Modern Railways 1963 3 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 and a few of mine from Carnforth (SWB) and Boness (LWB ex SR cattle van). Jon 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted May 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2020 I've never seen those long wheelbase ones before, were there many of them? Obviously as at least one has survived they must have found use doing something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, russ p said: I've never seen those long wheelbase ones before, were there many of them? Obviously as at least one has survived they must have found use doing something The article from 'Modern Railways' suggests there were two LWB ones, built on Special Cattle Van underframes, for use at Bournemouth and Weymouth, along with five, built on SR Loco Coal underframes, for Southampton. The ex-SCVs retained vacuum brakes; the Southampton wagons were only through-piped. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: The article from 'Modern Railways' suggests there were two LWB ones, built on Special Cattle Van underframes, for use at Bournemouth and Weymouth, along with five, built on SR Loco Coal underframes, for Southampton. The ex-SCVs retained vacuum brakes; the Southampton wagons were only through-piped. There are a number of photos of ADS70185 &ADS70188 (mineral wagon frame) and ADS70190 (converted Special Cattle) in https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/srdepartmentalstock - l The ER and LMR ones were discussed earlier. Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Shaw Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 The Bo'ness van was in seasonal use until relatively recently. The boiler inspector condemned the boiler controls, principally in that there was no pre-ignition purge of the combustion chamber and the general age of the electrical components, it was also all 110v DC and therefore difficult to renew bits individually. A scheme to re-engineer said electrics to AC control was considered but the cost was significant and four weekends use a year to pre heat Santa trains didn't justify the expenditure. Regards Martin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 ADM44402 1981 ex-LMS by Hugh Searle 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Former 'All Steel' Open Third No.6260 : built Metropolitan C.& W., 1926 ( later numbered 8071 ) .... converted to boiler van in 1960. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted June 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2021 On 26/06/2021 at 20:36, montyburns56 said: ADM44402 1981 ex-LMS by Hugh Searle I wonder why Fort William had a need for a steam heating van? Back in 1981 the only thing I could think of would be a pre heat of the Mk1 sleeping cars which were attached to the afternoon Mallaig to Glasgow service. Does anyone know different or for how long this vehicle lived in the west highlands? Whatever the reasons, the picture shows an interesting vehicle to model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 It's shown as at Polmadie in the 1985 Departmental Coaching Stock book ( first edition not to hand ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 ADE321072 Finsbury Park 1983 by Jamerail ADE321072 Finsbury Park 1983 by Jamerail I don't understand why BR would bother refurbishing such obsolete technology? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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