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Evening all,

 

I have been having a high old time over the holiday period looking through old photies and scanning them, so thought I would share a few more with you here.  All were taken in Salisbury on or about Wednesday 11 May 1988, just before the Cromptons finished on the Bristol-Pompeys.  I am reasonably confident about the date on the basis that for once, I did actually think to take a few pictures - nothing like leaving it to the last minute! - and I went for one last 33-hauled trip to Bristol and back that evening after work, just for old times' sake.  Anyway...  

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These first four shots were taken during the day from the works car park. The next four were taken during the early evening.

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Finally, a couple of shots of a 47, apparently deputising for a Crompton on a Pompey to Bristol/Cardiff working around about the same time period, though I would not like to narrow down the date any further than 'round about the same time'!  

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Hope these are of interest.

 

Best wishes,

 

Paul

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Once a familiar sight at Waterloo, 33042 is stabled with a newspaper van. 28/03/1986.

 

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Another once familiar sight, this time at Hastings, a class 202 sits in the yard during the weekend layover, 14/04/1986. Electrification of the route via Battle saw these slim bodied DEMU's displaced a month or so later.

 

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50 001 enters Woking with an Exeter-Waterloo train, 04/03/1989.

 

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Some nice Crompton pics there, Grampus. They reminded me that, until that time, it was possible to travel from Reading to Manchester (or even Holyhead) with class 33 haulage all the way. One had to travel via Fareham and Newport and it took much longer than on a direct train, but it was technically possible. I set out to do it one day but got as far as Bristol where the appearance of a class 45/0 caused a change of plans...

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From memory the 47/7 was hauling the VEP I think it had failed due to the snow etc. Could also have been an empty stock working.

 

I don't remember seeing a class 47 hauling a TC but  i am sure it happen'd as Paul said the class 50 did work with TCs 

 

Cheers Peter.

 

47s could not work in multiple with SR multiple unit stock. Only 33/1 and 73s could do that. any other loco used would have to be as conventional hauled stock using the air brake.

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I have seen a snow picture of EPBs being hauled by a Railfreight triple grey 56 somewhere.

 

'Hauled' being the operative word. I'm not sure how the braking systems were made compatible (converter cables, maybe), but the EP braking would operate as a straight Westinghouse air brake in this situation. The loco would have to run round the train at its destination in order to work the service in the opposite direction.

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Another once familiar sight, this time at Hastings, a class 201 sits in the yard during the weekend layover, 14/04/1986. Electrification of the route via Battle saw these slim bodied DEMU's displaced a month or so later.

 

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That's a long-frame power car, which makes it a 6L, or Class 202. S60026 was registered in unit 1017. With only about a month service life left, it has been allowed to slowly deteriorate in condition...

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Another once familiar sight, this time at Hastings, a class 201 sits in the yard during the weekend layover, 14/04/1986. Electrification of the route via Battle saw these slim bodied DEMU's displaced a month or so later.

 

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That's a long-frame power car, which makes it a 6L, or Class 202. S60026 was registered in unit 1017. With only about a month service life left, it has been allowed to slowly deteriorate in condition...

 

Thanks, can never remember which way round it was!

 

I view the Hastings units as broadly contemporary to the DB VT08 & VT12 DMU's. They had a MAN/Maybach/Mercedes engine of 746kW driving a hydraulic transmission, but were a bit more aimed at the Inter-City market, being used as TEE sets for while.

 

They lasted for a similar period in service too, being withdrawn in 1984

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'Hauled' being the operative word. I'm not sure how the braking systems were made compatible (converter cables, maybe), but the EP braking would operate as a straight Westinghouse air brake in this situation. The loco would have to run round the train at its destination in order to work the service in the opposite direction.

 

SR EP emus and TCs had two braking systems - EP and auto air.  The EP system was not fail safe hence the provision of the auto air brake.  The only locomotives which could operate the EP brake were class 73s and this required the 27 way jumper to be connected.  When hauled by any other locomotive class or by a 73 without the 27 way jumper connected, the emu/TC was a triple valve air braked formation.  This was also the case when being propelled by a 33/1 or a 74.

 

When being hauled by a locomotive without waist level air pipes, special air pipe extensions were used to couple the emu/TC brake pipes to those on the locomotive.

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If anyone has some money left after Christmas can I plug my book which came out in September.......................from Amberley Publishing, Amazon and Transport book shops etc.

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The following images aren't in the book.

 

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Unidentified Crompton approaching Portsmouth and Southsea high level. Service ex Cardiff circa 1986.

 

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Unidentified class 47/4 approaching Portsmouth and Southsea High Level with 1O34 the 0615 from Liverpool Lime Street. 1986.

 

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47518 at Wandsworth Common 1M50 the 1053 SuO Brighton to Manchester Piccadilly 1987.

 

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73102 'Airtour Suisse' passes an unidentified Crompton at South Croydon. 1987.

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The cold weather outside reminded me that I saw some film a while ago of loco hauled emus around Kent in deep snow plus shots of emus in the snow plenty of arcing .Might have been Chatham I think, anyone remember these pics and what media they were on?

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The cold weather outside reminded me that I saw some film a while ago of loco hauled emus around Kent in deep snow plus shots of emus in the snow plenty of arcing .Might have been Chatham I think, anyone remember these pics and what media they were on?

I remember seeing them in magazines; Class 56s pulling suburban stock, around the Medway Towns I think. It was the winter where Sheppey got snowed in, and RAF brought in provisions by helicopter. NSE bought a Beilhack Snow-Blower soon after, which never saw use in anger; it eventually went north to Scotland.

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If anyone has some money left after Christmas can I plug my book which came out in September.......................from Amberley Publishing, Amazon and Transport book shops etc.

gallery_681_3476_36150.jpeg

 

The following images aren't in the book.

 

p3246581864-4.jpg

Unidentified Crompton approaching Portsmouth and Southsea high level. Service ex Cardiff circa 1986.

 

p3227188258-4.jpg

Unidentified class 47/4 approaching Portsmouth and Southsea High Level with 1O34 the 0615 from Liverpool Lime Street. 1986.

 

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47518 at Wandsworth Common 1M50 the 1053 SuO Brighton to Manchester Piccadilly 1987.

 

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73102 'Airtour Suisse' passes an unidentified Crompton at South Croydon. 1987.

Think i'll have to get a copy of this.

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A bit pre-Class 56, I think, but one winter when there was a lot of loco-hauling of EMUs by Cromptons and by EDs on diesel was 1978/79, The Winter of Discontent.

 

The weather was pretty snowy in the SE, I remember it snowing very heavily on the couple of days leading up to New Year for instance, and the snow kept thawing in the day, then freezing hard overnight, with conductor rails becoming covered with "glass' by morning. Then there was a series of one-day strikes, which meant that almost no trains ran, allowing the freeze to get a real hold.

 

I can't be sure, but I seem to remember that the whole of January and into early February was a near write-off in terms of scheduled service on the Brighton Main Line and the Brighton-Hastings lines, and that the DEMU operated Oxted and Hastings lines were affected too, because units got diverted to operate over electrified sections and/or couldn't make scheduled trips to St Leonards.

 

And, I got bad tonsillitis and a chest infection, almost certainly caused by too much motorcycling in sub-zero temperatures at god awful hours of day and night, but that's a by-the-by!

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A bit pre-Class 56, I think, but one winter when there was a lot of loco-hauling of EMUs by Cromptons and by EDs on diesel was 1978/79, The Winter of Discontent.

 

The weather was pretty snowy in the SE, I remember it snowing very heavily on the couple of days leading up to New Year for instance, and the snow kept thawing in the day, then freezing hard overnight, with conductor rails becoming covered with "glass' by morning. Then there was a series of one-day strikes, which meant that almost no trains ran, allowing the freeze to get a real hold.

 

I can't be sure, but I seem to remember that the whole of January and into early February was a near write-off in terms of scheduled service on the Brighton Main Line and the Brighton-Hastings lines, and that the DEMU operated Oxted and Hastings lines were affected too, because units got diverted to operate over electrified sections and/or couldn't make scheduled trips to St Leonards.

 

And, I got bad tonsillitis and a chest infection, almost certainly caused by too much motorcycling in sub-zero temperatures at god awful hours of day and night, but that's a by-the-by!

 

Bang on. I was station announcer and general dogsbody at Cannon Street that winter (and weekend and evening relief at London Bridge, Charing Cross, Waterloo East and a few times at Victoria Eastern). I lived at Chatham at the time, and just getting to work was enough of a nightmare, let alone what to announce when you eventually got to work. I had to sleep on the floor of the Travel Centre, as did several others, more than a few nights just to keep anything going.

 

The perseverance of commuters then, compared to what came later in the late 1980's (1987??) with the same problems and similar solutions (by which time I had become a Station Manager at Brighton), was, to say the least, interesting. And at Brighton, we had a lot more diesel locos available, but 10 ft drifts.....

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I remember seeing them in magazines; Class 56s pulling suburban stock, around the Medway Towns I think. It was the winter where Sheppey got snowed in, and RAF brought in provisions by helicopter. NSE bought a Beilhack Snow-Blower soon after, which never saw use in anger; it eventually went north to Scotland.

My diary records that a special service operated (half hourly?) between Charing Cross and Ashford on 15/01/87 utilising Class 33, 47, 56 & 73 locos hauling EMU stock, I travelled up to Waterloo behind 33058 in the morning and returned south behind 73105 in the evening. The following day a special service also operated between Victoria and Gillingham via Dartford (Sole Street blocked) and I had the pleasure of travelling from Lewisham to Victoria behind 33202 and returning behind 56062.  I think that the period of heavy snow in 1987 was probably the last time the 'Railway' in this part of the country really made an effort to provide a service wherever possible, unlike the current situation where despite the best efforts of many individuals, the franchised operators and NR just give up.

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If anyone has some money left after Christmas can I plug my book which came out in September.......................from Amberley Publishing, Amazon and Transport book shops etc.

gallery_681_3476_36150.jpeg

 

The following images aren't in the book.

 

p3246581864-4.jpg

Unidentified Crompton approaching Portsmouth and Southsea high level. Service ex Cardiff circa 1986.

 

p3227188258-4.jpg

Unidentified class 47/4 approaching Portsmouth and Southsea High Level with 1O34 the 0615 from Liverpool Lime Street. 1986.

 

p3246580055-4.jpg

47518 at Wandsworth Common 1M50 the 1053 SuO Brighton to Manchester Piccadilly 1987.

 

p3246581863-4.jpg

73102 'Airtour Suisse' passes an unidentified Crompton at South Croydon. 1987.

The first photo here is interesting - I see the loco is displaying a Cardiff - Portsmouth headcode, but its an impressive rake of stock for one of these services. Normal loading was 5 but this train has at least 8 vehicles, including an early Mk2.

Also, it must be post June / July 1986, as the coaches look to be carrying Network SouthEast branding at the ends.

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The first photo here is interesting - I see the loco is displaying a Cardiff - Portsmouth headcode, but its an impressive rake of stock for one of these services. Normal loading was 5 but this train has at least 8 vehicles, including an early Mk2.Also, it must be post June / July 1986, as the coaches look to be carrying Network SouthEast branding at the ends.

Yes I’d spotted the long rake of coaches....can’t remember when the first Network Day was.....I remember coming back on the Cardiff to Brighton which had been strengthened and also c47 to Brighton.....only for it to hit the buffers on arrival at Brighton throwing everyone to the floor.

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I remember seeing them in magazines; Class 56s pulling suburban stock, around the Medway Towns I think. It was the winter where Sheppey got snowed in, and RAF brought in provisions by helicopter. NSE bought a Beilhack Snow-Blower soon after, which never saw use in anger; it eventually went north to Scotland.

 

Brian,

I think you are right the NSE blower didn't have any drifts to deal with, it did come out in case as the picture below from the late Barrie Swann shows in Tonbridge West Yard.

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Regards pics of the 1987 loco hauled EMUs, in the last few days many photos were put on Facebook.

Cheers.

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The cold weather outside reminded me that I saw some film a while ago of loco hauled emus around Kent in deep snow plus shots of emus in the snow plenty of arcing .Might have been Chatham I think, anyone remember these pics and what media they were on?

 

56062 Gillingham

 

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56056 Tonbridge

 

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56001 Sittingborne

 

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