RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2021 4 hours ago, pH said: Problems: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/761180/ This could also be posted on 'The human side of the railway' thread. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Possible hazard of street running? https://www.railpictures.net/photo/761469/ 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 30, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2021 Due to being parked up in a seedy area whilst between turns: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/760593/ 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell1976 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 29/01/2021 at 23:24, pH said: Possible hazard of street running? https://www.railpictures.net/photo/761469/ On 30/01/2021 at 03:01, melmerby said: Due to being parked up in a seedy area whilst between turns: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/760593/ In both of these pictures, this is what happens when a railroad doesn't have enough manpower within its police department. Imagine if it is a lot more Class 1 railroads today like it was about 30 years ago. The railroad police would have a lot less territory to cover geographically which would equal to a lot less graffiti on railroad equipment and property. Wendell Idaho, USA 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Wendell1976 said: In both of these pictures, this is what happens when a railroad doesn't have enough manpower within its police department. Imagine if it is a lot more Class 1 railroads today like it was about 30 years ago. The railroad police would have a lot less territory to cover geographically which would equal to a lot less graffiti on railroad equipment and property. Wendell Idaho, USA But surely as the companies amalgamated they inherit the police officers that covered the areas that are now part of the enlarged company? Seems more like basic cost cutting to me. e.g. Twice as much trackage but not twice as much police cover. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2021 Seems more like a societal change rather than lack of police. And I'll leave that one there......... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell1976 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 6 hours ago, melmerby said: Seems more like basic cost cutting to me. e.g. Twice as much trackage but not twice as much police cover. This is true with the Union Pacific Railroad. UP has been doing a lot of cost cutting in recent years and they are laying a lot of people off today. And to make matters worse, UP operates in a lot of major metropolitan areas such as Los Angeles, Bay Area, and Chicago. The larger the metropolitan area, the less police that will be available. Wendell Idaho, USA 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 Still think it would make an interesting model. Tat and grime amongst the Palm Trees.... Best, Pete. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell1976 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Here's a 1958 picture of a Pacific Electric Railway train in Long Beach, California. The train is running down Long Beach Boulevard between Anaheim Street and the world-renowned Pacific Coast Highway(PCH; California State Route 1). Today, the L.A. Metro A Line(formerly Blue Line) light-rail trains traverse this boulevard between Downtown Long Beach and Downtown Los Angeles(about a 25-mile/40-kilometer route). https://www.railpictures.net/photo/388493/ Wendell Idaho, USA 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell1976 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Here's a picture of a Toronto Transit Commission streetcar train in Toronto. The train is running down Dundas Street at the intersection with Church Street. The TTC uses broad gauge for their streetcar system. The rails are 58.875 inches(149.5425 centimeters) apart instead of 56.5 inches(143.51 centimeters) for standard gauge. https://www.railpictures.net/photo/278310/ Wendell Idaho, USA 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2021 Thats a strange gauge I wonder how it came about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, PhilJ W said: Thats a strange gauge I wonder how it came about? There's some info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto-gauge_railways Edited March 10, 2021 by melmerby 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Notice the track arrangement that would allow the train to make a sharper left (their direction) turn off the street: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/765819/ 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 On 10/03/2021 at 06:26, Wendell1976 said: Here's a picture of a Toronto Transit Commission streetcar train in Toronto. The train is running down Dundas Street at the intersection with Church Street. Why do you call it a "streetcar train"? Its just a single car so just a streetcar (or tram) not a train. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2021 On 12/03/2021 at 06:00, pH said: Notice the track arrangement that would allow the train to make a sharper left (their direction) turn off the street: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/765819/ An interesting development there. If you follow that track on Google maps you get to the end of 1st Avenue and the track disappears into a large fenced compound (July 2019) https://goo.gl/maps/6Fvu7JK9ZwYDee8X6 However if you go back to 2011 the tracks appear previously long abandoned and covered over. https://goo.gl/maps/Bi1mZZBHu4kJYoA78 Looks like a welcome re-instatement of usage. Sims recycling is the other side of that large compound. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2021 It appears that there was no tracks at all in 2011. The stone setts making up the street surface show no signs of having rails. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, PhilJ W said: It appears that there was no tracks at all in 2011. The stone setts making up the street surface show no signs of having rails. If you go back to where the track re-joins the road you can see there would likely have been track in the road. 2011: https://goo.gl/maps/ig7hFeDeSFVxgTV49 2019: https://goo.gl/maps/f2h6F9vAfTaqJgUY6 I am assuming the cut siding curving off to the left must have connected with track running further up the avenue. EDIT I have found an old map and the track continued to here and branches off right into 41st st: https://goo.gl/maps/9Fi9U4x6zEpjptzU6 I was wrong, there wasn't a direct connection up 1st Ave beyond 41st street into that site although there were other connections into the site from elsewhere. There were tracks in what is now 39th street however. So no direct track from up 1st ave from 41st to 39th, that is all new. Edited March 13, 2021 by melmerby 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell1976 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 On 13/03/2021 at 07:51, Grovenor said: Why do you call it a "streetcar train"? Its just a single car so just a streetcar (or tram) not a train. I had used the word "streetcar" as an adjective in the first sentence. I was describing what type of train it is. Wendell Idaho, USA 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Wendell1976 said: I had used the word "streetcar" as an adjective in the first sentence. I was describing what type of train it is. Wendell Idaho, USA Hi Wendell I think the American divide in English is coming in here. In the UK they are just trains or trams (streetcars), we would never call it a streetcar train. Tramways running along roads aren't considered railways, they are just tram tracks. Like this: This is a CAF Urbos 3 running in Birmingham and fitted with Li-ion batteries for wire free running. It's the West Midlands Metro but the vehicles are always just known as "Trams" (The sign bottom left warns pedestrians that it is a "Tramway") However we do have a "Tram Train" in Sheffield, it is a tram (or streetcar to US users) which on part of it's route also travels on ordinary train tracks, in with normal train traffic. In Manchester the trams run through the streets in the towns but use some ex heavy railway tracks outside of the urban areas, they even have UK train height (high) platforms but they are still only trams. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted March 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2021 On 13/03/2021 at 14:51, Grovenor said: Why do you call it a "streetcar train"? Its just a single car so just a streetcar (or tram) not a train. 38 minutes ago, melmerby said: I think the American divide in English is coming in here. Agreed, which makes the original intervention/"correction" rather rude, as well as incorrect. (And a single car, or single engine, still constitutes a train for operational purposes if it is moving over the railway network, shunting excepted.) 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Klyzlr Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) Dear RMWebbers, "NYNJ" - nee "NYCH"/"New York Cross Harbor" - nee "Bush Terminal" Newcomers, Might I respectfully suggest a quick search thru the forum here with the above-listed Railroad names, as bounded by quote-marks ("), as these RR-name/operator changes are the accepted key era-delineators of the Brooklyn Street Switching and related carfloating operations between 39th St and the Bush Army Terminal, and accross the Hudson to the Greenville Float Terminal... ...as well as "Brooklyn 3AM"... Much of the stated "when and why it is so" confusion RE "Turnout RIGHT to curve LEFT" situation southbound along 1st Ave in Brooklyn has been well documented and discussed here on RMWeb previously, (in the "Carl Arendt and Shortliner Jack" era, RIP), as well as site-survey documentation of the "curve thru Loft Building 20" between 41st and 2nd, the interchange with the South Brooklyn Railway (SBK)/NYC Metro at 39th St, and the changes-over-time in track-array/operations/spurs/interchanges around the blocks bounded by: - The Hudson River Bulkhead and 2nd Ave W<>E - 38th St and 42nd St N<>S Much of this conversation is backed-up and based-off the astoundingly excellent work of Phil M Goldstein and the TrainWeb site (All the Respect and Credit) http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/ http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/bt.html http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/nych.html http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/nynjr.html http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/sbr.html To get the full "timeline" without doing-one's-head-in, (esp from a distance), requires following the above links in listed/time/RR-era sequence... IE BT (OG) --> NYCH (B3AM) --> NYNJ (post 2000 - now) Happy Modelling, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr Edited March 16, 2021 by Prof Klyzlr 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 16, 2021 34 minutes ago, Prof Klyzlr said: Dear RMWebbers, "NYNJ" - nee "NYCH"/"New York Cross Harbor" - nee "Bush Terminal" Newcomers, Might I respectfully suggest a quick search thru the forum here with the above-listed Railroad names, as bounded by quote-marks ("), Happy Modelling, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr That's an excellent resource with plenty of detailed mapping. It's better than the stuff I found in the Library of Congress website. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Steam street running with a police escort: https://www.railpictures.net/photo/261370/ 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Great photo I thought Lancaster was Amish country where they believe new-fangled contraptions like steam engines are the work of Satan? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 55 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: Great photo I thought Lancaster was Amish country where they believe new-fangled contraptions like steam engines are the work of Satan? If they did, then I guess the Strasburg Railroad would never have got off the ground? https://www.strasburgrailroad.com/ Now one of, if not the, oldest Railroads in the USA still operating under it's original charter. Oh and still uses steam to haul modern revenue freight occasionally, too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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