johndon Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Apologies for the daft question but, in this photo: http://www.flickr.co...41850/lightbox/ Is the rail the 47 is on bullhead or flat bottomed? I think it's bullhead... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Nevard Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Correct; Bullhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndon Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 Cheers Chris, much appreciated - means I don't have to worry about building turnouts with flat bottomed rail on mew project, I can stick to the C&L kits John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Don`t be too sure. It is still to be found bullhead running rails on plain track whilst pointwork will be flat bottomed. IIRC sheffield station has this arrangement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted May 10, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 10, 2012 Yes but when FB first came in a lot of plain track was changed but the pointwork left. Its probably a matter of period either is possible. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Nevard Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Go with what you're comfortable with, and of course when those non-modelling know alls come up to you at a shows and tell you it's all wrong, you can say "well actually...." tee hee The real railway world is full of oddities, one of the things that makes it so much fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Just to be awkward, I think both tracks go onto FB near the far end of the loco. This would make sense as it is probably the end of the check rail too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 HI On the Traka line they still have 800 meters of Bullhead rail, down here in Devon....oh and it is Bulled rail the 47 on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
essexexpress Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Ipswich freightliner depot (near to platform 4) has a set of points that have FB switch & stocks grafted on to BH crossing nose and turnout! Was going to get round to modelling this at some stage. Mike Go with what you're comfortable with, and of course when those non-modelling know alls come up to you at a shows and tell you it's all wrong, you can say "well actually...." tee hee The real railway world is full of oddities, one of the things that makes it so much fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Oddities do still exist or have only been removed comparatively recently Whilst TSM at Clapham Junction (2003-2006) - there was still a short length (200 yard) of Bull-head rail in the Down Main Fast at Vauxhall carrying some 24m tonnes of traffic per year..........thankfully replaced around 2004. Some of the platforms at Waterloo have only recently been relaided in FB track and some still are BH track. Where these ran/run into FB S&C, ISTR that there was a length or two of plain FB track before the S&C. Before the Windsor ladder renewal (2010) & the recent Latchmere re-doubling at Clapham Jn (Ludgate Jn), where the Latchmere lines diverge around to Kensington O from Clapham Jn, the track was FB right up to the junction S&C switch fronts where it was welded directly to the FB rail of the switches using a composite FB/BH weld. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Scunthorpe, as far as I'm aware, still produce the occasional batch of BH rail - I assume it's 95lb stuff. There are examples of BH on the network all over the place, but S&C seems to be very rare now in anything other than yards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Happy Hippo Posted June 16, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16, 2012 Fwiw, When they took out the goods yard (a single siding) at Fochriw on the now closed B&M section between Bargoed and Dowlais Top, the bullhead rail switched to flatbottom for the length of the removed turnout and then switched back to bullhead.Yet at Torpantau, further up the line, the sidings turnout was replaced with plain bullhead track. Regards Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 That is probably a case of using whatever was to hand I bet - I much preferred clipping up FB that banging keys in so I'd have used FB if it was in stock! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
essexexpress Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Scunthorpe, as far as I'm aware, still produce the occasional batch of BH rail - I assume it's 95lb stuff. There are examples of BH on the network all over the place, but S&C seems to be very rare now in anything other than yards. We ordered a stack of 95lB BH for a project recently, stuff was so new it was actually silver (as opposed to the normal rusty orange/red that you see rails normally coloured) complete with TATA branding. If you want to go a step more exotic Oulton Broad still sports some 98lB Flatbottom in places, looks VERY odd! Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 98lB Flatbottom in places, looks VERY odd! Mike As does the Hampton Court Branch and trying to match it for defect replacement is a right pain,,,,,,,,,,,, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
essexexpress Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Knew I had a photo somewhere.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 If you want to go a step more exotic Oulton Broad still sports some 98lB Flatbottom in places, looks VERY odd! Mike As does the Hampton Court Branch and trying to match it for defect replacement is a right pain,,,,,,,,,,,, I have seen a defective rail in 98lb FB rail on F27's replaced with 113A and the track lifted and packed to level things up. Leaves a lovely trap for anyone doing some re-railing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 This may be also of interest. BH Thermit welded to FB. Brockenhurst station up loop, 22/5/2010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 That looks appalling! Is it stressed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Just to be awkward, I think both tracks go onto FB near the far end of the loco. This would make sense as it is probably the end of the check rail too. It certainly looks as if the chairs stop, although you can't really see the rail profile http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5665399329/sizes/o/in/set-72157626600741850/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 That looks appalling! Is it stressed? What looks appalling ??. Who's photo ?.... Essexexpress's , or mine ?. The quality / standard of the photos ?. The quality / standard of the joint/s ?....;.......I'm afraid I don't have the examiner's report to hand. At a guess,, I would say that, as in the past, and presently, the Brockenhurst station's up loop / platform is used only for lay-overs / return workings, and, as such, would not be subject to any stresses imposed by high speed running. The only stress to be accounted for, would be that imposed by the low speed / at a stand / occupying train, which, normally, would be an EMU. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I meant having an FB/BH weld! Just looks wrong. Having done both mainline and industrail p-way, not even Scunthorpe Steelworks had anything like that! Why weld it? By stressed I meant has it been stressed, rather than the loading it may experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted August 14, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2012 At a guess,, I would say that, as in the past, and presently, the Brockenhurst station's up loop / platform is used only for lay-overs / return workings, and, as such, would not be subject to any stresses imposed by high speed running. The only stress to be accounted for, would be that imposed by the low speed / at a stand / occupying train, which, normally, would be an EMU. I meant having an FB/BH weld! Just looks wrong. Having done both mainline and industrail p-way, not even Scunthorpe Steelworks had anything like that! Why weld it? By stressed I meant has it been stressed, rather than the loading it may experience. The Sectional Appendix gives a line speed on that part of the loop as 40mph so presumably the weld will have been assessed good enough to maintain that limit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 presumably the weld will have been assessed good enough to maintain that limit. I'm not questioning that not something I'd do or would have planned - it'll work but not very pretty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trog Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I meant having an FB/BH weld! Just looks wrong. Having done both mainline and industrail p-way, not even Scunthorpe Steelworks had anything like that! Why weld it? By stressed I meant has it been stressed, rather than the loading it may experience. Strange I would put in a composite weld every time rather than junction or worse still step junction fishplates. It gives a stronger joint and avoids some poor trackman having to find a set of junction plates with the right step at 3am on a rainy Feburary morning, when the plates break. As for it being stressed I would expect not, as standards require an adjustment switch at a FB/BH change of section. So it is either LWR or it is in the breathing length of an adustment switch that should be just out of shot. Looks a nice neat job to me with the two Pan11 sleepers on the end of the F27's ? giving similar sleepers both sides of the weld. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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