Michael Delamar Posted May 6, 2012 Author Share Posted May 6, 2012 when they were converted to AC do you mean the Morecombe Heysham units? M28222M by robertcwp, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 6, 2012 Author Share Posted May 6, 2012 nice shot.. M28577M_OxRd by robertcwp, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 6, 2012 Author Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) MSJA_M28573M_OxRd by robertcwp, on Flickr MSJA_M29670M_OxRd by robertcwp, on Flickr MSJA_M29251M_OxRd by robertcwp, on Flickr MSJA_M28590M_OxRd by robertcwp, on Flickr MSJA_M29235M by robertcwp, on Flickr Edited May 6, 2012 by michael delamar 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted May 6, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 6, 2012 (edited) do you mean the Morecombe Heysham units? i think you're correct, the morecombe units were the test-bed for AC traction, albeit at 6.25kV? apologies michael, the way i read the info was that the MSJA units had been converted - re-reading, it seems the pantos were changed to SF type to match the new catenary installed as a precursor to the line and infrastructure being made 25kV - the units were still 1500v DC incidentally, which of these units (if any) were converted from former watford stock? i'm a bit confused with this, as some o/h units clearly have bogies with shoe-beam brackets visible as an aside, is this the only time SF pantos have been used on DC on BR? Edited May 6, 2012 by keefer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 6, 2012 Author Share Posted May 6, 2012 Hi, They were indeed originally in LMS lined maroon, not green until BR days. Tony thanks Tony, cant find a shot of the Altrincham units in LMS maroon, got one of a 1927 Watford car which should give a good idea of how they looked. also note in the pics above by Robert Carroll at Oxford rd,the green unit has vents above the door windows, yet the blue one doesnt. if anyone can advise on how best to model the vents on the side of the power cars id be interested to know, I plan on modelling the Liverpool 1927 units using comet suburban coaches as a basis. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 i think you're correct, the morecombe units were the test-bed for AC traction, albeit at 6.25kV? apologies michael, the way i read the info was that the MSJA units had been converted - re-reading, it seems the pantos were changed to SF type to match the new catenary installed as a precursor to the line and infrastructure being made 25kV - the units were still 1500v DC incidentally, which of these units (if any) were converted from former watford stock? i'm a bit confused with this, as some o/h units clearly have bogies with shoe-beam brackets visible as an aside, is this the only time SF pantos have been used on DC on BR? no need for apologees. Im only just learning about these and the line they ran on so I hope someone will answer your questions. one thing, the area around Skelton junction must have been a great place to sit and watch trains back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Was reading my fathers LMS coaching stock book the other day, and in there it said they were just basically period2 suburban compartment coaches with cabs. Would you be able to use the kit that Dapol are making to cut and shut them into one of these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 ive got one to hand as im debating on cutting and shutting one, one slight problem with the airfix/Dapol one ive just noticed is it has a lavotory in it. so the door spacing on one side would need another door and 2 windows putting in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 (edited) some interesting info from an article on the 1927 Liverpool-Ormskirk stock which it says were identical to the London stock, built at the same time to the same lot and diagram numbers.... "five of the non driving trailers were later transferred to the MSJ&A in 1939- presumably they could be spared with the large scale building of open stock for Liverpool" Edited May 7, 2012 by michael delamar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Graham Frarish OO subs make a good staring poit for one of the 3-car units XF 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 11, 2012 Author Share Posted May 11, 2012 a brief glimspe of one leaving the new Oxford road station in 1960. 2min45. http://www.britishpathe.com/video/the-railway-today/query/manchester+oxford+road Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I was going to mention the Graham Farish suburbans as a good conversion, but beaten to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 13, 2012 Author Share Posted May 13, 2012 its getting hold of them which can be a bit of a problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 its getting hold of them which can be a bit of a problem There was a lot of them at the South West Herts Show yesterday, all at £5 each in very good condition - I picked up 3 Maroon ones for a Maroon LMS London District set. XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
creweboy Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 Just a bit more info; Class 301 was nominally allocated to the Heysham line units though they were withdrawn before it could be used, and yes the use of class 505 is the correct, and used as they survived until 1971. Concerning livery, never painted in LMS red, they carried a form of Green! before BR, it must be remembered the line was the MSJ&A Rly, operated by the LMS/LNER using LMS built stock. It was nationalised in 1948 were the units were repainted green as other BR EMU, probably following the same 2 greens in 1957, and then unique for this type of stock, BR blue, above door vents were removed at the same period (c.1970) and AC type pantographs fitted. Some other coaches from Liverpool and Watford were transferred in over the years, full history in the excellent RCTS locomotive history 10B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 adding further to post 30, the Liverpool units carried LMS maroon but not lined like the Watford units. some nice pics of the Altrincham line in a book called Railways around Manchester, A pictorial review of the 1950s AC Gilbert and NR Knight, published 1973, no ISBN number, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) nice shot at Oxford road Manchester Oxford Road. by cabsaab900, on Flickr and Altringham Altringham. by cabsaab900, on Flickr Edited February 23, 2013 by Michael Delamar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Thanks for posting these Mike. A fascinating arrangement for the marker lights with rotating shades. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 cheers Phil, dont think these have been posted yet, couple of nice shots of blue ones at Stretford. http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8482805524/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8482803648/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 and Altrincham depot. http://www.flickr.com/photos/29644579@N07/8478638202/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 27, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 27, 2013 I hadnt either to be honest, thats why I put it in the headline of the post, get a bit of interest Worked in my case as I thought: "What were they?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 Manchester Oxford Road station in 1971 by Tom Burnham, on Flickr 1500V dc electric train entering Altrincham station in 1971 by Tom Burnham, on Flickr Altrincham depot in 1971 by Tom Burnham, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 A few post back someone asked about the stock that came up from down south. Hope this helps. Note the background in the carriage window, OzzyO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Hello Michael, one way to get around the louvres problem, I think that this was the only motor coach that was like this? One of the new coaches in full M.S.J.&A.R. livery, OzzyO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted April 26, 2014 Author Share Posted April 26, 2014 the background was a photograph backdrop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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