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Hello Marc,

I just have to say that you're dead right! I've been hovering over the attractions of 0 scale for some time now, having been 'into' N for years and not getting anywhere.

I think I would still like to build a tailchaser in N but have a shunting layout in 0 as well.

The best of both worlds, perhaps?

What is the provenance of your 08, please? It's lovely!

Harold.

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Hi Mr Pegasus,

 

It's the first wagon kit that usually does it!

Once you have built one in O, there's no going back :)

 

Well, actually, there is - I still model the smaller scales too....

Yes, an n gauge tail chaser has been in my thoughts too

Or possibly a small-ish circular layout...

 

I find that in O, I'm happier to take in the detail in a more

leisured look, and am happier with less

 

Certainly, DCC sound has added to this

I like to just start the 08 up,

and listen to it ticking over...

Oh the simple pleasures :)

 

Regarding the Skytrex sentinel

It was supplied as is

I'm not sure of the origins of the motor

could well be based on the old Lima type

I have merely added decals & weathering....

 

The 08 is a Bachmann brassworks model

They are still knocking around second-hand

Particularly the unpainted versions

 

BLack Rat told me at Taunton,

He'd seen an 08 and 03 in his local shop,

painted, for £250 each

..... and didn't buy them!

Suffice to say, someone else did!

 

BTW. The Bacchy 08 draws so little current,

it only needs an OO scale size decoder to run it

Caroline at South West Digital informed me of that,

and she's right.... another cost saving

 

Cheers all

any more questions,

don't hesitate...

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I don't usually like photo backscenes, but the way you've used this particular one is a triumph. Have you tweaked it in any way? It's has the blue haze of distance off to a tee. Regarding the Atlas diesel and its Anglicisation, have you considered something like this Kerr Stuart. I have a similar style 6w HO Bachmann chassis (now in EM) that awaits time and plasticard.

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Marc

 

I loved your previous minimum space O gauge layout and having seen (and heard!) Poynton Sneer at Taunton, I absolutely adore it. Beautifully detailed and everything looks just right.

 

This is yet another really inspirational layout from you and demonstrates just what you can do in O gauge in a small space.

 

You've just raised the bar ........ again!

 

Stephen

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I don't usually like photo backscenes, but the way you've used this particular one is a triumph. Have you tweaked it in any way? It's has the blue haze of distance off to a tee. Regarding the Atlas diesel and its Anglicisation, have you considered something like this Kerr Stuart. I have a similar style 6w HO Bachmann chassis (now in EM) that awaits time and plasticard.

 

Hi Neil,

Thanks for your kind words - I'm blushing now, because as you know,

I've long admired your fine layouts. "Shell Island" still ranks as an all time favourite

That's enough cheesiness! :)

 

I know what you mean re photo backscenes - they can actually draw attention,

and somehow highlight the fact that what's in front of them is a model....

.... if you know what my early-morning logic is trying to explain...

 

This background is from the Gaugemaster range,

and is allegedly the OO version - also available in N

 

It has a blue hue anyway - much too blue, in my opinion

It's also quite glossy or at least "lustre" in finish

Backgrounds should contain more blue than the foreground

this is what is known as "atmospheric perspective"

But as I was saying - this one was a rather strong blue

 

Firstly, I sprayed some aerosol acrylic matt varnish over it

Then I sprayed it with white acrylic matt - to fade the strong blue cast

Then I applied a further coat of matt varnish

It seems to have worked fairly well,

but I feel it still needs more matt....

 

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To those wishing to use a photo backscene

BEWARE - I have experimented with several

and different adhesives have different effects on them...

Walpaper paste and PVA glues can make them expand, when wet

and the paper then shrinks + contracts as it dries out - which can be disastrous

 

I found the best method, is to first stick the backscene to lining paper (£1 per roll)

using photo-mount adhesive spray. I then stuck this to hardboard...

BUT first, I primed the hardboard with white undercoat - this worked fairly well

 

but I still had some "bubbles" of air - so I used the iron, to flatten them out

"While that iron is hot......." she said :)

 

Cheers folks

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My backscenes are only 1200mm long but 420mm high so i have used double sided tape along the top edge only and magic tape (neutral pH) at the sides where any future potential damage might occur. This allows the paper to move in changes with temperature and humidity but can also create slight ripples in the surface if you are not careful. I always add the backscene last from behind so this technique is quick and simple. They are also removable so I can work on my dioramas from any side. Luckily if any damage occurs, I simply print another one on my 44 inch inkjet!

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My backscenes are only 1200mm long but 420mm high so i have used double sided tape along the top edge only and magic tape (neutral pH) at the sides where any future potential damage might occur. This allows the paper to move in changes with temperature and humidity but can also create slight ripples in the surface if you are not careful. I always add the backscene last from behind so this technique is quick and simple. They are also removable so I can work on my dioramas from any side. Luckily if any damage occurs, I simply print another one on my 44 inch inkjet!

 

Hi, yes I've made the backscene on this layout removable as well

It is stuck down onto hardboard, but that is just held in place with a few screws

It seems to hold together firmly enough

 

I quite like the idea that Sandhills on this forum uses

- he makes diaoramas with no fixed backscene

he can then take the layout / diorama outside,

select a suitable backdrop, and photograph his models against any natural backscene.....

 

Cheers again

 

EDIT: Do your backscenes ever get damaged, when fixed in this fashion?

On Hendre Lane, I made my own backscene, which I was quite happy with,

but I left a gap between the backscene and scenery

I did this to enable me to drop in other backscenes.....

 

I only used this once or twice - I slid in some black card,

to photograph a "night scene" but the card buckled too easily when placing / removing it

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It is I think my 5th layout since Hendre Lane, some 4 years ago

 

Don't bother applying for the RMWeb Procrastinators Group, you wouldn't be allowed in ;)

 

Good to see you are still producing some very inspirational 7mm layouts!!

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Hi Marc... you asked a question on 16 May about damage to the backscenes when mounted to the layout from behind. Yes, I have damage to one of the backscenes when I took the diorama to a show about 50km away and the usual sloppy road surfaces in Australia shook it half to death.

 

It suffered from ink being removed from the surface where it rubbed against the back of a wall on the layout. Usually once I am happy that the diorama is complete I bolt the backscene into place and add wooden rubbing strips at each end to stop damage when transporting. I have a removable roof so I can still access the innards of the diorama.

 

Because I only print onto cheap bond paper in a roll, it can be easily damaged if roughly handled. If that happens, I can always reprint. All my dioramas have the same backscene photo either running from the left or from the right depending on how it works better with foreground details. So far no-one has picked that particular trick when viewing it.

 

When I sold ID backscenes, I remember it coming in something that looked like thick wallpaper. I really wish I could source that material for my own backscenes!

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Hi Marc,

 

I really like this. I think it is the way you've got a wealth of detail in a small space without it feeling at all crowded. In 5' in O that is no mean feat.

 

As someone who is teetering on the edge of starting something with foam, can you give some details of how you constructed the board? Did you brace it underneath, or is it just faced with timber? Is there any chance of a photo of the underside?

 

Thanks for sharing and keep the photos coming!

 

All the best,

 

Rob.

 

 

Apologies for forgetting to respond to this question earlier…. Ooops - sorry Rob T!

Anyhow, I hope these photos & diagrams illustrate roughly how I use the foamboard to make baseboards.

 

This is the pink insulation board, made by a company called “Knauffâ€

B&Q and other DIY stores make their own versions.

 

Here’s a brief description of my technique;

 

1. Cut insulation board to shape & size

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2. Cut battens to run front to back

I use light planed wood, around 25-30mm by 10-12mm

Approx 1 batten per foot – depending on design / shape of board…

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3. Glue battens in place – I use PVA, with 1 or 2 dabs of “no nailsâ€

Leave to dry with heavy-ish weight on top of board (e.g. toolbox) to ensure all stays square

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4. Glue mounting board onto top surface – adds strength & rigidity, acts as Ballast shoulder, without adding too much weight. Also made height sufficient to marry with fiddle / sector plate

 

5. Low-lying foreground – I cut the middle foreground piece away, added an offcut of insulation board to underside around the area. This has given me a good difference in levels at the front.

 

6. Cut backscene / end boards to size. I used hardboard – lighter than MDF or Ply. Can be strengthened using off-cut strips of hardboard.

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7. Insulation board is delicate, so protect front with strip of hardboard, or MDF, if you prefer.

 

This has resulted in a very lightweight, strong structure.

But don’t get any Superglue or solvents near it, until it is “sealedâ€

 

8. Board cuts easily to contour required. Use thin coat of DAS, mixed with PVA to form ground /earth. Coat with thinned down textured landscape paint (green scenes) to required colour.

 

Hope this is clear?

Cheers

Marc

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Cracking layout Marc, as usual. Nice to see it's not raining this time...

 

Ah, but it was raining last time I had to take the layout in and out of the car! :laugh:

 

Perhaps I'll make the next layout windy?

 

Cheers

Marc

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Hi Marc,

Would you please refrain from posting any more pics of your layout. I am finding it most distracting! Here am I trying to get my head around "N" and you put this up......... :O

 

Really excellent and hopefully I'll get a chance to see it for real one day. You might have mentioned it somewhere and I've missed it but is it a sound chip in the 08?

 

Cheers

 

Stu

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Apologies for forgetting to respond to this question earlier…. Ooops - sorry Rob T!

Anyhow, I hope these photos & diagrams illustrate roughly how I use the foamboard to make baseboards.

 

This is the pink insulation board, made by a company called “Knauffâ€

B&Q and other DIY stores make their own versions.

 

Here’s a brief description of my technique;

 

1. Cut insulation board to shape & size

 

 

2. Cut battens to run front to back

I use light planed wood, around 25-30mm by 10-12mm

Approx 1 batten per foot – depending on design / shape of board…

 

 

3. Glue battens in place – I use PVA, with 1 or 2 dabs of “no nailsâ€

Leave to dry with heavy-ish weight on top of board (e.g. toolbox) to ensure all stays square

 

 

4. Glue mounting board onto top surface – adds strength & rigidity, acts as Ballast shoulder, without adding too much weight. Also made height sufficient to marry with fiddle / sector plate

 

5. Low-lying foreground – I cut the middle foreground piece away, added an offcut of insulation board to underside around the area. This has given me a good difference in levels at the front.

 

6. Cut backscene / end boards to size. I used hardboard – lighter than MDF or Ply. Can be strengthened using off-cut strips of hardboard.

 

 

7. Insulation board is delicate, so protect front with strip of hardboard, or MDF, if you prefer.

 

This has resulted in a very lightweight, strong structure.

But don’t get any Superglue or solvents near it, until it is “sealedâ€

 

8. Board cuts easily to contour required. Use thin coat of DAS, mixed with PVA to form ground /earth. Coat with thinned down textured landscape paint (green scenes) to required colour.

 

Hope this is clear?

Cheers

Marc

 

Marc,

 

Just seen your kind reply. Thanks VERY much for this! The level of detail is exactly what I was hoping for. Your effort in putting this together is much appreciated.

 

Please keep the pictures coming, this is inspiration of the highest order... In fact, you've inspired me to clear some time at the weekend and make a start on a test piece using your techniques.

 

Thanks again and keep up the good work.

 

Rob.

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Hi Marc,

.......You might have mentioned it somewhere and I've missed it but is it a sound chip in the 08?

 

Cheers

 

Stu

 

Hi Stu,

 

You'll find it a tad trickier to get a sound chip in an n gauge 08 ;)

 

Yes, the 08 is sound fitted

I used the SWD chip, and a large circular speaker (about 2.5 inches diameter?)

 

Caroline from SWD assured me the Bachmann 08 draws so little current,

I could use the OO gauge version of the chip - which was cheaper than the O version

 

This turned out to be quite correct, and it seems to run fine

The sound is nice & loud through that large speaker too....

 

I also play ambient sounds, as I usually do with my 4mm layouts

I put these together myself, and have them playing in the background

on a cd player, via some PC speakers....

 

All the sounds I use (except on Wales, Rails, Rain & Steel) are free to use

searching online, sites like "sounddogs.com" have free, downloadable sound effects;

 

birdsong (many different species) cows, sheep, car horns, tractors starting up,

factory noises, and shunting yard sounds.... etc etc

 

These sounds are free to use, in low-quality 8 bit form

If you want higher quality stereo versions of the sounds, you can purchase them

however, for these sort of purposes, the low quality version is absolutely fine!

 

I edited the sounds, using the free software "Windows Movie Maker" which usually comes pre-installed on your PC

It's quite easy to do, and the difference it makes is subtle, but effective

 

It's free, a bit of fun to do, but can make a difference

The number of people I've seen at shows, looking around for the sparrow who has just flown in.... ;)

 

For me, sound just seems to add a dimension

 

Cheers again

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The number of people I've seen at shows, looking around for the sparrow who has just flown in.... ;)

 

Marc

 

Yes, that was me at Taunton! If it hadn't been pouring with rain outside, I would have been convinced that was where the sparrows were coming from. :-)

 

The sounds are very effective and add an extra dimension to the layout.

 

Stephen

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Hello Marc, just stumbled across this thread from a link posted elsewhere - & glad I did as you've created yet another gem of a layout! When I first saw the pics I was convinced that you'd used some of your own pics from Knuckle Yard as the backscene!

 

Hope you don't mind but I've sent you a PM.

 

All the best

Keith

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Yes Mr Warspite, I recall seeing you, and one or two others looking around ;)

When I played the rain & thunderstorm effects with "Wales, Rails, Rain & Steel" last year...

It positively sent shivers down the spines of onlookers

.... or maybe that was my aftershave :O

 

Keefr, of course I don't mind a pm from you sir,

as long as you don't mention which team you support ;)

 

Cheers

Marc

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Marc,

 

Your work never ceases to amaze me. When will you be exhibiting Down Under? :P

 

Cheers,

William

 

Thanks William,

 

I will exhibit down under as soon as I get an invitation....

Dunno what customs would say about me taking a layout on an aeroplane tho :laugh:

 

Cheers

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Dunno what customs would say about me taking a layout on an aeroplane tho :laugh:

 

its been done...but its the miniature emergency toolbox that shows up on the X-Ray that gives the most fun...:D

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Very nice work, I only wish Peco made smaller points then a lot of my planning stage problems (that I'm still stuck in) would have been solved a long time ago.

 

Couldn't agree more!

Mr Peco, are you listening?

.... there'll be a demand you know, when the Dapol 08 is out......

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