RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2012 I'm sure there was a box called Spon Lane, so while New St had its PSB, there were traditional boxes aplenty An LNWR Type 5 iirc. New Street took quite a lot, as did Walsall (and of course Saltley), having colour lights with the appropriate prefix would also be a big pointer for those of us with slightly obsessive interests if the colour light route were to be adopted, or correct semaphores of course (if any signalling is to be on the layout) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2012 An LNWR Type 5 iirc. New Street took quite a lot, as did Walsall (and of course Saltley), having colour lights with the appropriate prefix would also be a big pointer for those of us with slightly obsessive interests if the colour light route were to be adopted, or correct semaphores of course (if any signalling is to be on the layout) And I think one or two 'old' 'boxes were retained as shunt frames although I'm not sure if any of them survive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2012 And I think one or two 'old' 'boxes were retained as shunt frames although I'm not sure if any of them survive. Stetchford, the next block post, being an example. Plenty of opportunities for some nice signalling / structures - apparently even the GWR had some around the general area Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) There is a sketch 'Structures worth modelling No.4' in MRJ No. 36 page 171, which shows an area apparently near BNS. It depicts a variety of brick buildings & slate roofs. The buildings have been added to in a variety of building materials. There are lots of broken windows.& patched timber. It is based on a photo c1880 which shows an LNWR 2-4-0T with a train of 4-wheelers, with these buildings in the background. They seem to be derelict, yet they lasted to 1961! Photo appears in Model Railway Constructor December 1972, page 457. Also here. http://www.warwicksh.../lnwrml2186.htm I do hope this scene is going to be modelled. Kevin Martin Edited May 20, 2012 by kevinlms Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2012 Absolutley essential! Just been looking at your Black Country Museum photos on Flickr, it particular the Bottle & Glass Card kit of the Bottle and Glass available from Alphagraphix. To be totally different you must have a Shay loco as used at Bilston - the only one in UK? http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/23/Shay.htm http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima/sn-618.htm Plenty more ideas in the Industrial Railway Record Archives http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/back_issues.htm Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Williams Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Tocky-bonks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Enoch and Eli made a rare trip to Birmingham and were standing in front of an imposing building. "What they call this place, then", says Enoch. "It's the Council House", says Eli. "Bostin' innit. I got me name down fer one'na them!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Alphabet song reminds me of A is for 'orses, B for mutton, F for vescence, M for sis, and can't remember the rest. E for brick My first job in the mid-70s involved visiting much of what was left of the heavy industry, derelict sites and landfills in the Black Country - including some truly spectacular pollution from phenolic foundry sand and pickling works that the EA now would never believe ("it's grayt this, ewe pour it all dan this moinshaft and it all disappears loike"). Before the Black Country Museum was ever thought about I remember a session helping to walk (along the roof that is) a narrowboat through the Dudley Tunnel - jaysus! Do they still do 'Black Country Nights Out' in the pubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Do they still do 'Black Country Nights Out' in the pubs? They do. Even reaching cultural outposts such as Lichfield and Solihull. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2012 Stetchford, the next block post, being an example. Plenty of opportunities for some nice signalling / structures - apparently even the GWR had some around the general area A good point that - don't forget the Black Country was as much GWR territory as that of any other Railway so there's plenty of good reason for traces of GW influence showing through. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2012 A good point that - don't forget the Black Country was as much GWR territory as that of any other Railway so there's plenty of good reason for traces of GW influence showing through. That's what I keep telling the rest of the group - but I'm very much outnumbered 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2012 An LNWR Type 5 iirc. New Street took quite a lot, as did Walsall (and of course Saltley), having colour lights with the appropriate prefix would also be a big pointer for those of us with slightly obsessive interests if the colour light route were to be adopted, or correct semaphores of course (if any signalling is to be on the layout) Signalling will be required, our current leaning is towards semaphores. Probably a small ex-LNWR 'box too; although we would probably benefit from some advice on how to signal it correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2012 There is a sketch 'Structures worth modelling No.4' in MRJ No. 36 page 171, which shows an area apparently near BNS. It depicts a variety of brick buildings & slate roofs. The buildings have been added to in a variety of building materials. There are lots of broken windows.& patched timber. It is based on a photo c1880 which shows an LNWR 2-4-0T with a train of 4-wheelers, with these buildings in the background. They seem to be derelict, yet they lasted to 1961! Photo appears in Model Railway Constructor December 1972, page 457. Also here. http://www.warwicksh.../lnwrml2186.htm Technicaly Brum-a-jum rather than Black Country, but we won't split hairs; it's a cracking photo and interesting to see that the dereliction we think of as being more recent has been around for longer than we might expect! Will have to dig out a copy of that MRJ too, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2012 Plenty more ideas in the Industrial Railway Record Archives http://www.irsociety...back_issues.htm Thanks Mike; the Shay might be a little early for our period, but looks like some useful stuff in the IRS archives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2012 Tocky-bonks. Must confess, had to Google that one! Thank goodness for the Black Country Slang database . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Thank goodness for the Black Country Slang database . Schoolboy snigger - http://www.blackcountryslang.co.uk/53/Arse%20Cream 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 If it is possible for AndyY tp access it, in the Archive there is a series of posts on Fiddlestick Yard, which will give you ideas about how to get the Hazy Background so obvious in the photos that have been displayed - basically by starting with a very slightly greenish, off white sky, then distant outlines, sprayed in pale grey using a stencil, over-spraying a very light coating of white, then another series of outlines through another stencil, over- spraying again, and repeating this a couple more times - the distant background items fade slowly with each light overspray of the white - hope it helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
89001 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 http://www.flickr.co...9@N03/lightbox/ has to be one of my favourite photographs. That brings back a few memories, the traction is well before my time (I was born in 1974) but I used to 'spot from that very location in the mid 80s. It was mainly 37s and 20s then IIRC and I think the bridge carrying the old GWR main line had been demolished by then. I also remember watching the Ocker HIll power station cooling towers being blown up in the 80s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
89001 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) A policeman was walking along a canal in Wednesbury and sees a young boy sat on the towpath crying. Policeman – Are you okay? Boy – No I ay, me mate’s fell in the cut The policeman immediately dives in the water but after a few minutes searching is unable to find anyone Policeman – I’m sorry I can’t find him, when did your friend fall in? Boy – What yow gooin on about? Arv lost me mate off me sandwich! Edited May 20, 2012 by 89001 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo The Bear Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Don't forget the sporting culture - The Tipton Slasher, Jack Holden, Ron Bentley 24 Hour World Record Holder, Tipton Harriers. There is also the excellent Black Country Bugle that chronicles the past every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloo The Bear Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) Forgot - what is the difference between a buffalo and a bison? You can wash your hands in a bison in the black country! PS As well as a railway enthusiast I also happen to be the historian for the "arriers" and proud Life Member. Edited May 20, 2012 by Baloo The Bear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ailg8048 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Here you go - Bumble Hole, Dudley, plenty of roving bridges here, that in back ground is Cob's Engine house oh and the GWR ran from left to right on a bridge just in front of the one at the back! http://aligrieve.smugmug.com/Landscapesandplaces-1/Cobs/18643602_RRrJ6t#!i=1440993875&k=9p8zsB7&lb=1&s=A It was the line from Dudley to Old Hill and Windmill End Halt was to the right of the picture the other side of the right hand bridge. There's a good volunteer run visitors centre here with a 3d model which shows what a hive of activity it was. Railways, collieries, tram lines, canals, steel works etc and now a nature reserve! http://www.dudley.gov.uk/leisure-and-culture/parks-and-open-spaces/liveability/bumble-hole-and-warrens-hall-local-nature-res/ Here's another shot showing the engine house, on the right is the spoil heap from Warrens hall colliery, behind me the canal and the otherside of that was the railway and Windmill End Halt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted May 20, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2012 Gosh, somebody had a bridge fetish didn't they! If you built it as a model it wouldn't look right and Mr loud voice finger pointer would have a field day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Just been looking at your Black Country Museum photos on Flickr, it particular the Bottle & Glass Thanks for that,seems as tho' I aint the only one building a Black Country based layout, but the pics will be helpful as I plan to build a townscene diorama at one end, and an industrial one at the other, on my 'roundy-roundy' layout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ailg8048 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 And that isn't all of them! You can just make out the blue brick bridge through the trees which carried a tram line and road from the mine to a wharf on the canal and beyond that is the entrance to the Netherton tunnel, you can also make out the bridge abutments of the GWR line better in this picture http://aligrieve.smugmug.com/Landscapesandplaces-1/Cobs/18643602_RRrJ6t#!i=1440993611&k=gbVczDn&lb=1&s=A and in this one you can see the road bridge that ran behind the roving bridge on the right! http://aligrieve.smugmug.com/Landscapesandplaces-1/Cobs/18643602_RRrJ6t#!i=1440993899&k=7npGxCg Mister loud voice pointy finger is now on the verge of exploding. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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