robmcg Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Only that the tender should really be the shorter 3500 gallon version Sorry. I'll get me coat!!! Would the crimson LMS Patriot or Crab tender do? In any event models can have tender swaps, the real railways did it often enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted January 8, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2015 Would the crimson LMS Patriot or Crab tender do? In any event models can have tender swaps, the real railways did it often enough! That's what I'm working on. Also anybody that I know well enough to see my train set wouldn't know that the tender is wrong. I certainly didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 You could use the chassis off a Fowler tender. I did read the section on Jubilees in Essery & Jenkinson's bible on the subject. I discovered that the Stanier 3500 Gal tender was indeed fitted to Nelson from new. Most of the others were assigned Fowler tenders, from Scots, and another few were assigned Stanier 4000 Gal. tenders, some rivetted and some welded. I don't have details on this particular tender so I wouldn't want to assume anything. I also note that Gibson shows a Stanier 3500 Gal tender kit in stock. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodger5591 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 A potted hstory: 5664 kept the same tender most of its life (stanier 3500 gallon number 4647) but received a 4000 gallon tender (9838) sometime after 1960 and carried it to withdrawal. It kept crimson lake (code A6) until painted plain wartime black in the early 1940s. It stayed unlined black until painted BR green in November 1950. It received its Gill Sans BR number in November 1948, but kept the wartime LMS on the tender. In May 1949 the tender lettering was blanked out and it was left blank until it got the BR emblem when painted green in 1950. It was sent to Derby when new in 1935 and was withdrawn from Holbeck in 1965, but served at 11 other sheds during those 30 years. For those interested in a detailed discussion of LMS tender types, the new LMS Review periodicals are doing a series on them, authored by John Jennison of Brassmasters. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Thanks Rodger for that info. You reminded me that I have a request with my bookseller for LMS Review 1 & 2 and I've just sent him a rocket. The article by John will be most useful. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2015 45664 was a Sheffield Millhouses 19B later 41C during the 50's & early 60's and a frequent performer on the Midland mainline and Derby-Bristol line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) There were fifty 3500 gallon Stanier tenders built to go with Jubilees 5617-5666. They had curved tops similar to the more common 4000 gallon type but the same length as the Fowler type of tender. They had pan-head rivets but the rows were slightly different to those on the 4000 gallon type. In later years the 3500 gallon tenders moved around somewhat among the Jubilees and with some ending up on 8Fs. There was even a Royal Scot with one. One of the 3500 gallon tenders is preserved with 48305 although (to me) the underframe looks more Johnson than Fowler (the LMS were known to fit new bodies to old underframes). I'll see if I can find a photo to re-size and post. It is interesting to note that when the Jubilees were first built, all those allocated to the former Midland lines were fitted with short wheelbase tenders of various types. Edit: I must add that in my trainspotting days, I didn't appreciate the differences between 3500 and 4000 gallon types. Edited January 9, 2015 by Poor Old Bruce 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 In the E&J bible, they state that the locos needed a reduced overall wheelbase for the Midland lines to suit short turntables. A very interesting discussion and it has highlighted a tender type that I wasn't really aware of before (...and I daresay there are others). John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 In the E&J bible, they state that the locos needed a reduced overall wheelbase for the Midland lines to suit short turntables. Quite, although I think the situation was resolved before WW2 started as there are photos of Jubilees with 4000 gallon tenders on Midland lines in 1939. Here are some pics of the preserved 3500 gallon tender taken at the Churnet Valley Railway in 2004. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Thanks for these. I did a search on here and came up with an old thread about these tenders. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/20376-lms-stanier-3500-gallon-tenders/ In it, you mention 48305 and Chris Higgs says that this is a composite tender built from a Fowler chassis. So, modelling the actual tender needs to be carefully done. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lochinvar Posted January 17, 2015 Author Share Posted January 17, 2015 Yes - my "Rodney" (ex-"Drake") has the 5/6 arrangement that you describe. I think that's correct for the SFB examples. DR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted January 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2015 They are also of set so when being washed out none of the boiler is missed. Well that's what I was told. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted February 13, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2015 Hi alan did you ever finish your LFB. I was wondering which way you thought was the best in the end. Also what is the best paint is the closest to the paint used by Bachmann on there jubilees. I would rather like to just paint where I need to rather than a full paint job. Anyone think the Bachmann folwer tank chassis will work for the stanier 3500 gallon. As a starting point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benachie Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Hi farren, You're making me feel guilty! I seem to remember that I only 99% finished them before I got distracted by something else and put them away in their boxes. Hence they were never photographed - I will try to do something about that some sunny day. I think the second method was slightly easier but you really need to have done the first in order to get the surplus section to be grafted in. I expect I used Precision BR green and I think I redid the boiler band decals because the Bachmann ones are underscale. I think, if I were doing it again, I would scrape off the bands and just use the decals. Alan Edited February 14, 2015 by benachie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 Anyone think the Bachmann folwer tank chassis will work for the stanier 3500 gallon. As a starting point. Assuming you meant to say "Fowler" tender chassis. I don't see why not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted February 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) Yes sorry I did mine fowler I am in two minds which way to go about producing some jubilees at the moment. I have two Bachmann LF jubilees and couple of Bachmann SF's plus HongKong as herself. Have just ordered a book on the class and also tracked down essery's book. Also looking at the brassmasrter site. So lots to do plus as Leicester was a very good stomping ground for the jubilees, so should have a good choice to pick from. May end up with a few models Edited February 21, 2015 by farren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted February 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2015 Dose anyone make the stanier 3500 straight side tender? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 Does anyone make the stanier 3500 straight side tender? Alan Gibson Workshop? I got some etches many years ago by Perseverance(?) and stuck the sides on a 4F tender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR8700 Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hey, I have the Bachmann Jubilee 'Falkland Islands' and I was wondering what glue should be used to attach the second set of windows. I've read that super glue can make them cloudy and I want to avoid that. I bought UHU glue from antics and that's worked so far in attaching most of the detail parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hey, I have the Bachmann Jubilee 'Falkland Islands' and I was wondering what glue should be used to attach the second set of windows. I've read that super glue can make them cloudy and I want to avoid that. I bought UHU glue from antics and that's worked so far in attaching most of the detail parts. For anything clear ii use canopy glue very sparingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted April 1, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 1, 2016 Hey, I have the Bachmann Jubilee 'Falkland Islands' and I was wondering what glue should be used to attach the second set of windows. I've read that super glue can make them cloudy and I want to avoid that. I bought UHU glue from antics and that's worked so far in attaching most of the detail parts. I use a smear of Delux materials glue and glaze. Dries clear, holds secure but easy to remove if needs be. Good for nameplates too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted June 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) After 4 years+ since I first read this topic I finally got round to giving it a go. It needs a weathering to help tone it done. And to add all the Bachmann detail pack. New Windows etc. But I'm pleased. And I have a body and spare to try the second method. My be a dome lose one next. Edited June 29, 2016 by farren 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) It's been a long time coming but I finally finished my tender conversion to the 3500 gal tender. I used the AGW tender kit. It was not the easiest to assemble but obviously, if I can do it, quite feasible. The paint I used was Badger DM & IR Maroon (for those overseas who can't get paint from the UK). Comparing the finished kit to the Bachmann model, Bachmann might just be better - there's very little in it in any case. It struck me that a few years ago, a kit like this would propel a model to another dimension - today, the RTR models are at least as good. You can't see it, but the brake rigging is pretty crude being wire soldered together. The detail pack includes very well moulded and accurate (I assume) brake rigging. Looking at the Brassmasters kit pictures the other night, I can see that this would be a better option, having more and better detail. It does cost more mind but you pays your money... Edited January 15, 2020 by brossard 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub45565 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Looking good! Did you repaint the loco as well? I have a Brassmasters tender to do myself to correct Drake (already a Holbeck loco so I'm happy on that score) - give me a few years & I might be able to post a comparison! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 LOL give me a break Pete, it took me nigh on 2 years to do the tender. The loco is as it was out of the box. I shall watch this thread to see your progress - it'll be interesting to see how the Brassmasters kit compares. I did actually take pics of the build as it progressed. I transferred the Bachmann electrical gubbins into this tender. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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