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5 hours ago, Fangio said:

Any tips for fitting the brake rods/shoes?

 

I'll have to come back on that one as I can't find any pictures, Essentially using the central hole in the brake parts you use a pice of .45/.5mm rod to align the parts and touch a little solder in.  The top hole lines up with a rod through the frames and the bottom with a frame made of rod.

I am experimenting with  better way of fitting them which is to spring them onto the top rod so that the whole brake frame can drop out.

 

More on the Pullmans.

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More filling , followed by more filling with a touch more filling followed by sanding, rubbing down, sanding & rubbing down.

 

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And this is where I've got to. I think some more fettling might be needed but I am going to do this when they are fitted permanently, I'm finding that trying to get the shape with the roof off of the body is..........difficult.

 

Thank god there were only 4 of them!

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Dave

 

I decided to repaint a loco I bought ready built, it looked fine painted in black but a covering showed up gaps and bumps that were not noticeable in black. I had to have several goes at sanding and filing over 4 or 5 nights but it got there. I use green and white Squadron filler, but mix it into a runny slurry using Humbrol liquid poly then let it set for 24 hours. This both gives it better adhesion and fills very fine cracks. You can actually build up beading this way. I always use cocktail sticks to apply it

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Dave,

 

thanks for the insight re the J50 brakes.

 

Found a thread from another guru on RMWeb who has been there before me, with some helpful images:  

 

 

Will let  you know how I get on....

cheers

Chris

 

 

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The 3 Pullman bodies are now complete and ready for a coat of primer, there are still the bogies to finish off and I'll hopefully have something to report about them soon.

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Body colour is still an unknown so what I'll look at is using one of the Precision Teak paints (or a mix) and spraying it as a flat colour. All the photographs I have of the Pullmans show a flat dark colour ( there is lining but we won't mention that) The presumption I'm working on is that as the GN used varnished teak stock, the Pullmans would have been painted in a similar colour.

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But surely, you'd love to do load of fancy, scrolled lining, crossing various beadings and cappings, all so fine as to be barely visible on the model unless very closely inspected?

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As noted before, I'm modelling a foggy night in December with the added complication of snow, hail, locusts and pestilence......I don't see the lining as an issue :D

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1 hour ago, chris p bacon said:

As noted before, I'm modelling a foggy night in December with the added complication of snow, hail, locusts and pestilence......I don't see the lining as an issue :D

 

 

Your in Bedfordshire not Manchester !!!!

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3 hours ago, chris p bacon said:

The 3 Pullman bodies are now complete and ready for a coat of primer, there are still the bogies to finish off and I'll hopefully have something to report about them soon.

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Body colour is still an unknown so what I'll look at is using one of the Precision Teak paints (or a mix) and spraying it as a flat colour. All the photographs I have of the Pullmans show a flat dark colour ( there is lining but we won't mention that) The presumption I'm working on is that as the GN used varnished teak stock, the Pullmans would have been painted in a similar colour.

Were not early Pullman cars done in a maroon or similar colour as shown on the one at the NRM? 
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41 minutes ago, richard i said:

Were not early Pullman cars done in a maroon or similar colour as shown on the one at the NRM? 
richard 

I haven't studied them in depth but I think the Midland ones were a Maroon with a very high gloss finish, they seem very different in colour in B & W photos to the GN ones.

 

This is GN/ECJS 2992

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A Midland Pullman

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There isn't a lot of decent photographs of the Pullmans that I can post (copyright)  but suffice to say that when next to a GN teak vehicle there isn't a lot of difference in the colour ( except the shading of the graining on the teak) 

 

If anyone has more info I'd welcome it.

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1 hour ago, chris p bacon said:

I haven't studied them in depth but I think the Midland ones were a Maroon with a very high gloss finish, they seem very different in colour in B & W photos to the GN ones.

 

This is GN/ECJS 2992

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A Midland Pullman

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There isn't a lot of decent photographs of the Pullmans that I can post (copyright)  but suffice to say that when next to a GN teak vehicle there isn't a lot of difference in the colour ( except the shading of the graining on the teak) 

 

If anyone has more info I'd welcome it.

Cigarette Card - First Railway Dining Car

 not an actual picture but hope this helps. I assume teak colour from this postcard, but then again it could be anything

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I thought a previous post had mentioned red-brown as the likely colour. That said, it would stand out a lot, and given the lengths the LNER went to to make steel sided coaches look like teak so they blended in, maybe a teak finish would be just as likely.

 

Dat lining tho. It’s a shame the photo of the end view is so compressed, it does make the lining hard to see.

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I think a bow pen would be best to produce the lining. I look forward to seeing you complete it. 
if you can copy it, it would win every carriage competition that is around. 
richard 

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34 minutes ago, croydon junction said:

Cigarette Card - First Railway Dining Car

 not an actual picture but hope this helps. I assume teak colour from this postcard, but then again it could be anything

 

That is a great help, although you could argue that the colour isn't 100% correct, why would the artist choose a 'teaky' brown unless that is the sort of colour it is.

3 minutes ago, richard i said:

I think a bow pen would be best to produce the lining. I look forward to seeing you complete it. 
if you can copy it, it would win every carriage competition that is around. 
richard 

 

When you get right into the detail a Bow pen would probably be too coarse, it's really fussy with lots of swirls ...thank god it was so sooty and grimy back then.....

 

I did wonder about painting the coaches yellow and adding the odd bit of brown..:D

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6 hours ago, chris p bacon said:

As noted before, I'm modelling a foggy night in December with the added complication of snow, hail, locusts and pestilence......I don't see the lining as an issue :D

 

I'd draw the line at the locusts.....

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2 hours ago, 2750Papyrus said:

 

I'd draw the line at the locusts.....

 

You've been to Biggleswade retail park then....:rolleyes:

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I can't see why that lining and scroll work is such a problem?   It's not like you don't know any opticians.

 

Tim Watson would have done it by now, left handed, while fitting individual lubricator pipe runs to that Valour he's building....

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17 hours ago, chris p bacon said:

I haven't studied them in depth but I think the Midland ones were a Maroon with a very high gloss finish, they seem very different in colour in B & W photos to the GN ones.

 

This is GN/ECJS 2992

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A Midland Pullman

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There isn't a lot of decent photographs of the Pullmans that I can post (copyright)  but suffice to say that when next to a GN teak vehicle there isn't a lot of difference in the colour ( except the shading of the graining on the teak) 

 

If anyone has more info I'd welcome it.

Dave maybe of no interest but I’ll post it anyway.

A charity shop find of Edwardian railways, the chap a child at the time drew and wrote about what he saw.

His drawings probably well reflect the colours I would assume.

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that’s the 10MB limit I’ll post the last few next.

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poor iPad pics but if you want some better ones I can get outside in better light and do them.

Maybe of interest.

 Cheers 

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20 hours ago, hayfield said:

 

 

Your in Bedfordshire not Manchester !!!!

Every county has its problem area and the Potton,  Biggleswade and Sandy triangle is Bedfordshire's.

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18 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Every county has its problem area and the Potton,  Biggleswade and Sandy triangle is Befordshire's.

 

Huh!!

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7 minutes ago, 31A said:

 

Huh!!

Ah!!! but where you come from is just outside the triangle. :good:

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1 hour ago, AdeMoore said:

Dave maybe of no interest but I’ll post it anyway.

A charity shop find of Edwardian railways, the chap a child at the time drew and wrote about what he saw.

His drawings probably well reflect the colours I would assume.

 

Excellent Ade, He got a ride in a 12 wheeler! These books are really good for the description of what people see rather than relying on B&W photo's. 

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On 05/05/2020 at 11:25, Fangio said:

Dave,

 

thanks for the insight re the J50 brakes.

 

Found a thread from another guru on RMWeb who has been there before me, with some helpful images:  

 

 

Will let  you know how I get on....

cheers

Chris

 

 

Well I never thought I would be described as a guru!  To be fair this still needs to be finished up, I've been trying to work out a problem with my compensated chassis.

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14 minutes ago, Traintresta said:

I've been trying to work out a problem with my compensated chassis.

I just did these as a rigid chassis but have recently been working on something else which I'm looking at using High Level CSB's on.

 

What was the problem ? 

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On 08/07/2020 at 14:10, chris p bacon said:

What was the problem ? 

I have somehow managed to solder the compensating b frame in at an angle, it's only ever so slight but it's enough that I can foresee problems that I don't want.  Coupled with the fatality to my adjustable heat soldering iron I put the project aside until I decided on the solution and CSB is coming back to me more and more but I'm not sure if it's easier just to stick with the compensation beam, as the rear axle is already fixed.

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