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Just taken delivery of this little beauty - a birthday present from my Mum!


Probably not a usual branch line loco, but it will come out on the 'Sunday specials', when anything goes!







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Another wagon joins the fleet!


It is one of the newly re-released Slaters ex MR fruit vans






I think there might be a few more joining it over the coming weeks!


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Hi Robin,


According to the instructions with the kit, I believe it is a diagram 361.  This was fitted with vacuum brake.  Dia 364 was similar, but with a through pipe only.


Hope that helps





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Time for another update!


I've had the last week off work, which despite not being able to have our two hotel breaks as planned, it was a pleasant week off work.  As well as doing some tasks around the house which we normally don't get the time/can't be bothered with, I have managed to squeeze in a bit of modelling time.


First on the bench, picked up at last years Bristol (Thornbury) show, is this old Mailcaoch GW 'Giant'.  It is based on the Monster van, but with corridor connections, and internal framing.

I have assembled it, and as shown, have performed a few test runs to make sure it negotiates the curves and points.






The next couple of pics shown the Giant and Monster together.





I now need to do the usual painting and lettering


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2 hours ago, darren chpamn said:


What is your loco fleet that you use on the layout ?



The majority of the locos are from Bachmann, 4 * small praires, a 57xx, 64xx, 2251 etc.  There is also a Hornby 52xx which is a lovely runner, but a bit big for a small branchline terminus.  I also have a couple of Airfix 14xx and one of the Hattons/DJM 14xx, but they are all indifferent runners so don't see much use.


Most of the locos I use can be seen in the previous pages of this topic.

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Here are a few more random pictures of a recent play operating session

3202 waits to leave with the Monster and Giant




4588 arrives with a goods train, does a bit of shunting and then departs












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You may have commented on this earlier (and I have not picked it up) but you appear not to be a 'weatherer" (I may have made that word up).


Is there any particular reason?  (In case you are wondering I have not weathered anything in my fleet.)

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The only reason is is because I haven't really got round to it!  I have nothing against weathering, but it is not really a skill I have mastered yet.  I have 'weathered' a few items, mainly wagons.  So far, I have only done r-t-r items, nothing I have kit built! 



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I'd suggest having a go on one of the 14xx since they are not used much, or maybe an old wagon.  There are several ways to do it, from my basic 'wash and wipe off' method to something approaching high art, with everything in between.  Real trains in the steam age got dirty very quickly after leaving the paint shop in clean condition, sometimes within minutes if it was rainy or dry windy day.  Atmospheric pollution was more pronounced in those days and as soon as a vehicle was in service brake block dust got all over the underfames and into crevices around doors and window reveals, handles, handrails, and doorstops.  So I find it is not only fun but improves the general appearance to take the 'new' off RTR models.


My method as I say is a bit basic and crude, but effective (matches my personality, except for the effective bit).  I use acrylic paints, and keep 2 tropical fish food containers (other types of containers are available but it's tropical fishes in our house) full of 'gunge colour'.  These are watered down mixes of leftover bits of colour from paint pots.  There is a brown one and a black one, which is really just a much darker brown.  The lighter one has tones of red or orange in for rust.


Weathering step 1, dismantle the model and remove glazing if it has any; you can skip this and just separate the body from the chassis otherwise.  Any interior painting or detailing can be done at this stage.


Step 2, make a spray booth.  A cardboard box big enough to contain the overspray and enable you to get at the workpiece is fine.  If you don't have a suitable ventilated work area, wait for a dry, windless, preferably bright but overcast to reduce the shadows, take the workpiece, paint, and booth outside and...


Step 3, Spray body, roof if separate, and chassis with matt varnish; Halfords rattecan is ideal and available during the lockdown.  This will give the weathering gunge a surface to key to; some plastics have an oily surface which will make the paint form pools on the surface, you don't want this!  The spray will go off fairly quickly but leave it 24 hours to make it's own arrangements with the surface.  Do a second coat if you're not happy with the coverage.


Step 4, Decide how heavily the piece is to be weathered.  For simple 'taking off the new', brush the brown gunge, which represents brake block dust, pollen, atmospheric pollution, and muck in general, on to the surface you are doing.  Work it into corners and crevices, and between planks and door or panel joins.  Then, use a piece of absorbent tissue, toilet or kitchen is fine, and wipe it off, but don't wipe too hard and don't wipe in the crooks and nannies.  You will be left with a slightly dulled finish and  evidence of dirt that the carriage cleaners have missed in the crooks and nannies.  


For more serious weathering, same technique, but apply the gunge more heavily and wipe off less heavily.  Clean the windows, again leaving the edges dirty, and wipe the tissue downwards from the roof, forming rain streaks down the side of the vehicle and leaving dirty bits beneath handles and so forth.  On NPCCS leave the windows dirty, maybe cleaning a small wipe on one of them where station staff have peered in to see what's inside.


For heavy weathering, apply the gunge heavily, obviously, and don't wipe off at all except a few downward strokes for rain streaks.  This should be the go to setting for roofs, which are actually quite hard to do because you need to wipe lengthways.  Very heavily weathered vehicles can have matt black roofs from loco soot


Step 5, Do the artsy fartsy bits, rust and staining.  A spot of light brown with orange streaks, dotted on with a fine brush, and smeared downwards with your fingertips


Step 6, admire your handiwork, congratulate yourself, and crack a can of beer open!


The black gunge is for locos and mineral wagons, but the same technique applies.  Cab windows should be clean even on dirty locos, and vehicle numbers are sometimes wiped clean as well.  Most steam locos most of the time are pretty dirty below the running plate; don't be influenced by heritage railway practice, and some GW ones were less than pristine above it in your period.  Number plates tended to be polished up though; they are so accessible from the cab steps that few locomen could resist running an oily cloth over them.  Streaks of gloss varnish can be wiped downwards to represent overfilled oiling points or water leakage from tanks or pipes.  I paint tension lock couplers in rail colour to camouflage them, then complain that I can't see them to uncouple.  On underframes, shininess is your enemy unless you want the vehicle to look as if it's just out of the paint shop, so spray the matt over these if you do nothing else.  


In the case of kit models like your Giant and Monster (nice models, btw), finish the painting and application of transfers before you weather them.


Welcome to the world of mucky modellers.  One of us, one of us, one of...

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Thanks Johnster for that detailed account of how you do your weathering. I've done quite a lot of the last part of Step 6, just need to work on the steps preceding it!

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They are all code 75 small radius points.  I would have liked to have used medium (or even better, large) radius points, but I did really have the space.

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On 11/10/2014 at 13:15, Jules said:

A brief update to drag this thread back from the depths...


I've done absolutely nothing to the layout this year, apart from squeeze in some operating sessions.  The only constructive thing I have done is to build three wagons, hence this post and pictures!


The three wagons in question are a Cooper Craft provender wagon (best CC kit I have built), a SR 8 plank open and a NE 7 plank open, both from Cambrian and both a joy to assemble.


So here a couple of snaps to illustrate!


Hauled by 5812, they cross Frog Lane crossing



then round the curve into the station



5812 takes on water



And now some other general shots:

I really need to finish the cottage and its surroundings 



a couple of the station




Thanks for looking :)


Edit - just realised I put 5813 instead of 5812...

Just noticed you have 5812 on your layout. I have been told this engine was kept in the Helston engine shed in the 1930's - I wondered if you knew anything of this? regards Andy

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On 04/04/2021 at 11:07, Andy Keane said:

Just noticed you have 5812 on your layout. I have been told this engine was kept in the Helston engine shed in the 1930's - I wondered if you knew anything of this? regards Andy



I'm afraid I have no information on 5812 and its allocation or history - I can't even remember why I chose that particular locomotive!


Recently I have upgraded the loco with new wheels, and changed the 'G W R' to 'Great Western'. Unfortunately, one of the plunger pickups has failed, so the running has deteriorated a bit - I need to try and find some replacements. I probably also need to add some washers to the new wheels, as they are a lot finer than the Airfix originals so there is a lot more sideplay.

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On 04/04/2021 at 11:07, Andy Keane said:

Just noticed you have 5812 on your layout. I have been told this engine was kept in the Helston engine shed in the 1930's - I wondered if you knew anything of this? regards Andy


5812 had two spells at Helston (according to the Peto's 48/58xx register), May-July '37 & Nov '37-Mar'38. It had a boiler swap in between visits as well!

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1 minute ago, Dave47549 said:


5812 had two spells at Helston (according to the Peto's 48/58xx register), May-July '37 & Nov '37-Mar'38. It had a boiler swap in between visits as well!

Many thanks for this - I am revisiting Helston and plan to model the station in retirement (having started while at school 50 years ago!). Thus gathering info. I have a letter dated 1972 from a chap who responded to my call back then for help in the Railway Modeller. He had taken much interest in the branch and said: "In 1938 the locomotive would have been one of the following: 4407, 4503, 4523, 4525, 4561, 4569 or 4571. This class certainly worked the line in the period that you intend to model. In addition to the main branch locomotive, a 58xx tank, 5812 occupied the sub-shed at Helston." This is the first mention of the smaller wheeled 44xx on the line that I can recall. I wonder if this is correct - would you know about 4407 as well?

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