Arpster Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 There's a nice photo here of an 03 out on the Tyne Yard to Blaydon trip freight in 1983 on the Newcastle-Carlisle line. I assume that the trip sometimes ran very lightly loaded. http://ironroad.smugmug.com/Railways/BR-1980s-Colour-Ongoing/18275299_zCH45f#!i=1799059971&k=VbV3b3b&lb=1&s=A As shown in Dave F's photo above, they also ran all the way up the ECML from Gateshead to Berwick quite often in the 80s when there was always one stationed there as pilot. That must have been a long old journey at 27mph! Arp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) There is a photo by 'Rivercider' and thread elsewhere on this site that shows Bristol, Bath Road allocated 03382 in blue livery, shunting at Lawrence Hill coupled to a BR 'Conflat' TDB709457 which carries the TOPS Code ZSV. http://www.rmweb.co....th-match-truck/ . Until that photo surfaced, I was unaware of any 'runners' on the WR. . Brian R Edited June 28, 2012 by br2975 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 There's a nice photo here of an 03 out on the Tyne Yard to Blaydon trip freight in 1983 on the Newcastle-Carlisle line. I assume that the trip sometimes ran very lightly loaded. http://ironroad.smug...bV3b3b&lb=1&s=A As shown in Dave F's photo above, they also ran all the way up the ECML from Gateshead to Berwick quite often in the 80s when there was always one stationed there as pilot. That must have been a long old journey at 27mph! Arp Sometimes only a few wagons, but sometimes 20+ wagons. Given the access to the Dunston branch, locos would run on from here with loaded coal wagons for Blaydon behind the loco, and loaded scrap from Dunston being propelled as far as Blaydon yard. The 08 at Bristol TM had a BR brake van (latterly in RES livery) as a 'runner'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERGE Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 But apparently - from evidence in this thread alone - only in certain parts of the railway network, elsewhere the locos ran about quite cheerfully on lines equipped with track circuits. And as these track circuits included ones which locked points and block instruments as well as controlling signals I'm quite sure there would have been Instructions galore should the slightest problem occur - there certainly were for all sorts of things (one of which on the Western was not only much longer than a 204 shunter but only ran anywhere coupled to its match wagon). The match truck was there to cover situations where there were staggered ends to track circuits. This usually occurs through complicated pointwork. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 There is a photo by 'Rivercider' and thread elsewhere on this site that shows Bristol, Bath Road allocated 03382 in blue livery, shunting at Lawrence Hill coupled to a BR 'Conflat' TDB709457 which carries the TOPS Code ZSV. http://www.rmweb.co....th-match-truck/ . Until that photo surfaced, I was unaware of any 'runners' on the WR. . Brian R I only managed to photo it that day, but there are other pictures of it at Bath Road with runner attached, (as well as with other acting runners). The Lawrence Hill pilot duty also involved a trip up the main line to shunt the scrap yard at Stapleton Road, so the Bath Road 03s would have been regularly working a mainline freight trip until about 1979, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted June 29, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2012 The match truck was there to cover situations where there were staggered ends to track circuits. This usually occurs through complicated pointwork. IIRC the 03 had a 9' wheelbase. Track circuits on the LMR were designed to cover anything from 8'6" upwards, so runners would not be needed on that region. Where there was greater stagger in point work special controls were sometimes added to ensure that track circuits operated in the correct sequence under short vehicles. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnw1 Posted June 30, 2012 Share Posted June 30, 2012 03158 with conflat L TDB733647 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 Derwenthaugh 1982 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 A Transfesa ferry van, from the Green Market on Team Valley, in the formation. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2021 I take it the runner was vac braked? Interesting that having that on an air braked train you would have air and vac brakes operative in the same formation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, russ p said: I take it the runner was vac braked? Interesting that having that on an air braked train you would have air and vac brakes operative in the same formation I think they were vac and air-piped, as they were used on the shunters at Newcastle station, as well as on trip freights. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Fat Controller said: I think they were vac and air-piped, as they were used on the shunters at Newcastle station, as well as on trip freights. The Ipswich one shows a W TOPS brake code which is vac braked air piped Would they let a vehicle on the mainline unbaked on potentially the rear of the train ie on its own Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, russ p said: The Ipswich one shows a W TOPS brake code which is vac braked air piped Would they let a vehicle on the mainline unbaked on potentially the rear of the train ie on its own They presumably treated them in the same fashion as brake vans. There were some unorthodox practices in the Blaydon area, perhaps a legacy of the days when it was freight-only from Blaydon to Low Fell. I have mentioned before seeing the working from Dunston Staithes to Blaydon sometimes having the loco in the middle of the train. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: They presumably treated them in the same fashion as brake vans. There were some unorthodox practices in the Blaydon area, perhaps a legacy of the days when it was freight-only from Blaydon to Low Fell. I have mentioned before seeing the working from Dunston Staithes to Blaydon sometimes having the loco in the middle of the train. Thats Tyne yard men for you! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I thought they were treated as part of the loco, ie just as a tender was on a steam loco. After all, they were used to enable track circuits to work, so not much use sending just the loco out on its own. Stewart 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 15 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Derwenthaugh 1982 Wonderful photos, I think the photographer's location was the footbridge to the left of this cropped image Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: Wonderful photos, I think the photographer's location was the footbridge to the left of this cropped image I think you're correct; the line the train's on is the one that led to the exchange sidings for Derwenthaugh coking plant. To the east of the river was Swalwell open-cast Disposal Plant. The train would have worked as far as Blaydon coal yard after finishing at Derwenthaugh. In later years, after the Miners' Strike, and the loss of most of the coal and coke traffic, it became a '31' turn, serving the various scrapyards around Dunston and Blaydon, before carrying on to Hexham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted January 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) On 28/06/2012 at 10:32, br2975 said: A number of the Landore based 'noddies' were also wired for multiple working, with the connections emerging from the rear cab wall - requiring them to operate "cab to cab".As such these locos could stay 'conjoined' for several months.The most common role for these locos were the Burry Port & Gwendraeth Valley coal workings, commonly with the pair at the front and a single 03 banker at the rear on trains to Cwm Mawr, and usually with all three at the front on return trains to Burry Port. I have a BR drawing somewhere showing the cab mods for multiple working - must dig it out.Brian R A terrible photo taken from a moving train of one at Llanelli taken on 7/1/84, showing MW cables. D2152 (03152), seen here on the Swindon and Cricklade Railway, Oct 13th 2019, still has a patch on the rear of the cab where its MW cables emerged. I saw virtually all the survivors in 1983-85, photographing many, and the Norwich and Newcastle pilots had runners, but the Ipswich, Birkenhead and Landore allocated ones didn't. Edited January 8, 2021 by Tim Hall 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted January 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2021 03180, Norwich Sept 27th 1983 03112, 03066 Gateshead Depot 21st Jan1984 03078, 03094 Newcastle station 21st Jan1984 Runners can be seen attached to all of these. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Naaritch - 1980 Ipswich Station - 1978 The 03 shunting LEV 1 after its arrival in 1980 obviously had one..... But workings to the Lower Yard and the Dock lines didn't.....(no track circuits there) 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I notice the Ipswich ones are former Conflat Ls, with the cut-outs in the floor. At least one of the Tyneside ones was, but it was the sort with Lowfit-style sides. I wonder why Conflat Ls were used, instead of Conflat As or Lowfits? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I thought I had another one somewhere.... Lowestoft - 1979 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2021 When air brakes came in, a lot of the vacuum-fitted runners just seem to have had two pipes laid across the deck of the wagon which were then connected to the air/MR cocks fitted to the buffer beams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted January 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2021 Anyone know when runners were first used? I take it no 04s never had runners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johann Marsbar Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, russ p said: Anyone know when runners were first used? I take it no 04s never had runners There is a Yarmouth one here with a "runner" (and side-skirts/cowcatchers...) http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/y/yarmouth_south_town/index35.shtml and one at Ipswich by Mr "Crewcastrian".... https://www.flickr.com/photos/86020500@N06/8561026883/ Edited January 8, 2021 by Johann Marsbar extra photo 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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