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6 hours ago, gr.king said:

I cannot see a light green band and black edging on the preceding 1930s image that stimulated this discussion, showing a Lincs Road Car Leyland Lion. Were they painted in a different way, having been acquired (it would seem) from United?


If you look carefully at the bonnet of the Lion, you can make out two different shades.  Also you can pick out the lining around the edges of the darker green.  Here’s the picture again.

 

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I’m getting tempted to build one myself, but in a larger scale.

 

Paul

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On 23/06/2021 at 16:39, LNER4479 said:

Thanks Paul,

 

Double deckers are a no-one due to low bridges in any case. I wouldn't want one any way.

 

Thanks for leads on bus kit options.

On several occasions when I lived in Grantham a diverted double decker on the school run lost its roof on the Springfield Road bridge.....

 

I think Mabex do suitable transfers for Lincolnshire buses.  I've certainly had 1980s Lincolnshire Roadcar transfers off them for the two Leyland Nationals in my to do pile (I don't normally model buses but I fancied models of the buses I used as a kid)

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1 hour ago, LNER4479 said:

Well look what's just been spotted on the streets ... 

 

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That'll do me for now. Just need to find a Faller chassis to fit - quick n simple. Thanks to 4475 for alerting me to this option.

 

 Bus is right or close enough.  Livery is correct. LT478 was a Brush bodied Leyland Tiger TS7 built in 1937 which kept its original body postwar, renumbered 1452 in 1953 and lasting until October1958 when it passed to a showman.  It wasn't licensed 1959 onwards which suggests the showman bought it for its engine.

 

You'll be spot on if you give it the registration FW8831.

 

Les

 

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6 hours ago, LNER4479 said:

Well look what's just been spotted on the streets ... 

 

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That'll do me for now. Just need to find a Faller chassis to fit - quick n simple. Thanks to 4475 for alerting me to this option.

Just noticed the corner shop. Nice!

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18 hours ago, Flying Fox 34F said:


If you look carefully at the bonnet of the Lion, you can make out two different shades.  Also you can pick out the lining around the edges of the darker green.  Here’s the picture again.

 

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Paul

I'd noticed the bonnet, but considered that the difference might be due to the rolled edges of the bonnet, fall of light, or fading of paint on a panel subject to rising hot air and to sunlight. I saw no perceptible difference in tone when comparing the the upper parts of the lower side panels with the waist panels - both being upright.

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16 hours ago, LNER4479 said:

Well look what's just been spotted on the streets ... 

 

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That'll do me for now. Just need to find a Faller chassis to fit - quick n simple. Thanks to 4475 for alerting me to this option.

 

Well there's a funny thing...

 

I've had this for years. Although it normally sits on my pre-war loft layout I'm not absolutely sure of its proper period. It may even have sat motionless on Grantham during one exhibition...

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Technically it is a British Electric Traction style Leyland Tiger TS7 or TS8.  Lincolnshire Road Car belonged to the BAT group but this and BET were bedfellows in the thirties.  It was only when BAT was split up that Roadcar passed to the Tilling group and was nationalised. Other companies in the group passed to BET and escaped nationalisation until the late sixties.  I think East Midland was one of these.

 

Comparing the model with a photo in the PSV Circle Fleet History of Lincolnshire Roadcar (now you know where I've got the info from...) there are a couple of minor differences as follows- 

 

1.  Lincolnshire had starting handles protruding through the radiator

2. The header tank on the front door pillar is higher on the prototype and is lined out with the pale green stripe passing across it.

3. The steps were green with aluminium (or similar) treads and kickplates.

4. Lincolnshire vehicles had foglights below the left hand headlight

5. There was a rain strip along the top of the side windows not present on the model.

6.  The front saloon windows over the engine are two of equal size and ehged in white, rather than the one-third two-thirds split on the model.  Not worth altering as it wil be out of sight from most angles.

 

1 and 4 might be worth doing, but the others are in the "too hard to bother with" category- the rain strips would need a high gloss repaint around the window area

 

I have the same model but i in Sunderland District livery, plus one in OK Motor Services (Emmerson, Bishop Auckland) livery and an AEC with the same body in OK Motor Services (Howe, Spennymoor) colours.   Your Lincolnshire vehicle is closer than the SDO one, which had a Roe body with a very pronounced waistrail.

 

Les

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On 26/06/2021 at 18:43, LNER4479 said:

Well look what's just been spotted on the streets ... 

 

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That'll do me for now. Just need to find a Faller chassis to fit - quick n simple. Thanks to 4475 for alerting me to this option.

Perhaps you could have a 13 year old Margaret coming out of the shop to go to school on the bus?

 

John.

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1 hour ago, John Tomlinson said:

Perhaps you could have a 13 year old Margaret coming out of the shop to go to school on the bus?

 

John.

 

1 hour ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said:

 

Oh the alternate history timelines that spring to mind with that scenario...

Too late. She's already on the station platform with her father, conversing with the stationmaster (one Mr Cooke) prior to taking the train south for her first experience of 'the smoke' ...

 

The good doctor's quip reminds of the following exchange from the classic days of ISIHAC:

 

Tim Brooke-Taylor

'Good news: Mrs Thatcher has decided to do that U-turn afterall'

 

Willie Rushton

'Bad news: How come there's never a juggernaut when you need one'

 

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6 minutes ago, LNER4479 said:

Well, we haven't had a travelogue for ... well ... years. Mainly because we haven't been let out for ... well ... years. Anyway, I thought last week's mini-trip was too good not to share with you, not least because of a distinctly LNER bias. Boys n girls, I give you the incomparable:

 

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Well - do I need to tell you? I don't think so. These wonderful third-scale lookalikes continue to ply their trade along the Kent coast, nearly 100 years after they were first introduced. Here's the doyen of the fleet, No.1 'Green Goddess', in her full LNER finery, looking particularly lovely in the morning sun at New Romney.

 

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Down at Dungeness, No.2 'Northern Chief' rolls in with her (his?) train.

 

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Back at New Romney, a quick loco change sees No.1 replace No.2 for the journey back to Hythe.

 

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After a break for lunch, we took a train as far as Dymchurch (not stepped on the platforms there previously), to get this view of the next southbound train arriving.

 

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Back at the hub of the railway, it's the red one! A particular favourite of mine, 4-8-2 No.5 'Hercules'

 

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Sporting the trademark RHDR smokebox star at the south end of the line.

 

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I was ready with my camera to capture this, the one booked double-header in the timetable as we headed back to Hythe at the end of the day. And a chance to capture the other loco in service - No.3 'Southern Maid'.

 

Hope you enjoyed that as much as I did. Plodding on with the various detail developments on the layout. An update will follow when there's something worth showing ...

 

 

One of my ABSOLUTE favourite railways in a favourite part of these islands.
I'm glad you had a good time.
Can't wait to go back.:heart_mini:

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48 minutes ago, D-A-T said:

I can’t hear of Romney Marsh and especially Dymchurch without Dr Syn springing to mind. An evocative place.

"Five and twenty ponies,
Trotting through the dark -
Brandy for the Parson, 'Baccy for the Clerk.
Them that asks no questions isn't told a lie -
Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by!"

 

"A Smuggler's Song" by Rudyard Kipling

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15 hours ago, LNER4479 said:

Well, we haven't had a travelogue for ... well ... years. Mainly because we haven't been let out for ... well ... years. Anyway, I thought last week's mini-trip was too good not to share with you, not least because of a distinctly LNER bias. Boys n girls, I give you the incomparable:

 

DSC01570.JPG.dbf889bae49584307d6a0f17636a4c6b.JPG

Well - do I need to tell you? I don't think so. These wonderful third-scale lookalikes continue to ply their trade along the Kent coast, nearly 100 years after they were first introduced. Here's the doyen of the fleet, No.1 'Green Goddess', in her full LNER finery, looking particularly lovely in the morning sun at New Romney.

 

DSC01608.JPG.9086de3c3b0292a867f7b7ec6da0bfbc.JPG

Down at Dungeness, No.2 'Northern Chief' rolls in with her (his?) train.

 

DSC01641.JPG.a70035067f322e79f271b79c1eefd42d.JPG

Back at New Romney, a quick loco change sees No.1 replace No.2 for the journey back to Hythe.

 

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After a break for lunch, we took a train as far as Dymchurch (not stepped on the platforms there previously), to get this view of the next southbound train arriving.

 

DSC01711.JPG.7a8bacd6a32ab3869b9ea039d409ccb2.JPG

Back at the hub of the railway, it's the red one! A particular favourite of mine, 4-8-2 No.5 'Hercules'

 

DSC01743.JPG.7904ccfc0fd64ac78ca7c5ad41251dca.JPG

Sporting the trademark RHDR smokebox star at the south end of the line.

 

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I was ready with my camera to capture this, the one booked double-header in the timetable as we headed back to Hythe at the end of the day. And a chance to capture the other loco in service - No.3 'Southern Maid'.

 

Hope you enjoyed that as much as I did. Plodding on with the various detail developments on the layout. An update will follow when there's something worth showing ...

 

 

Lovely to see those pictures. My Grandad helped to build several of those. There is a picture of him with about 8 other men from Paxman’s in Colchester with Greenly, the designer, in front of River Esk in 1923 before it went to Cumbria. We had a set of blue prints at home for Green Goddess. My brother gave them to the RH&DR museum. He volunteers at the railway and is currently training to be a dispatcher.

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4 hours ago, D-A-T said:

I can’t hear of Romney Marsh and especially Dymchurch without Dr Syn springing to mind. An evocative place.

AH, Dr Christopher Syn. Not a good guy to fall in love with. I've read all the stories.
I fell in love with Romney Marsh by reading the children's stories of Malcolm Saville. In those, I came across Rye, the Military Canal and Romney Marsh.
It is a lovely part of the world.
Dr Syn, built at Meadowhall by YE in the 1920's is one of my two favourite RHDR locos.
If you get to Dymchurch, visit one of the most complete Martello Towers in existence, it's well worth it.
Chris.

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In my consultancy days I was suddenly bounced into a sort of GP Relief job covering somebody from the company who had broken his arm and couldn't run his  'practical operations 'training day' for the company's graduate trainees.  So I had to rush down to the RHDR to run the course as I was the only person in the company who had the necessary knowledge to do the training at very short notice without his course notes.  

 

And the relevant point - he had an agreement with the RHDR to use their railway for the training.  But it was winter time and the only train running was the diesel worked 'school train' although we also had a short working of our own for some elements of the 'training'.  Bloomin' cold but the marsh in winter was a marvellous place to be with virtually nobody around except us and the locals.

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