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Here are two pictures of the actual production etch containing the front grill for the class 90 set.

 

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The class 60 buffers are a very close to the freight buffers fitted to the 90's and if the modeller has not got access to a supply of A1 products then they can fit the buffers that came with the model 90% of people would be happy with those if they have no access to an alternative the same can be said for the rubbing plate.

 

The set is there to improve a kids toy with the least amount of work.

 

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Pete

The replica rubbing plates are the mk1 shape while if you look at Tims pics they are a completely different shape on a 90. Does the Hornby model come with them? Perhaps you could graft the resin part to the original bufferbeam?

 

A1 models do the chopped oleo buffer

 

Hth

 

Jim

 

I scratchbuilt my rubbing plates from plasticard and brass rod/tube, it took about half an hour to shape the bits, no biggy really. I also shaped my clipped buffers from large oleo ones with a file as I feel the A1 buffers have too much clipped off. Whether they do or not I have no idea they just look like they do to me.

 

Nice work on the remodel of the the etch btw Pete, well done.

 

Cav

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Thanks for your coments Cav

 

As you say it's no big deal to fabricate a rubbing plate or the replica one soild be thinned down and have platicard added,

 

It's all part of modelling and trying new things.

 

Pete

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Its not a big deal for some of us, no, but it wouldn't have been a big deal to include a new face on the etch either would it?

 

Jim

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Pete, if you were to lose some of that excessive gap around the components you would get the rubbing plates in as Jim suggests.......

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the new grill does look better, although I stick with my thought that its a shame that theres no kit (other than the Hurst kit when availiable) to replace the awful pantograph that comes with Hornbys' 90

 

NL

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Havent Dapol threatened a BW high speed pan Nick?

 

Jim

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Hi Jim- Think I remembering hearing something about that but havnt heard anymore unless ive missed something ... New panto would be good to replace the Hornby clunker

 

NL

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As for the rubbing plate I could not get any information of a high enough & reliable enough standard for that fitting, so I felt it best not to include it in the set.

 

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Massively impressed with this kit, will be getting one for my RES 90. I'm also thinking I could adapt it for a 91, but we'll have to see how I get on with the first!

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I already said i dont know class 90 all that well Pete. However you appear to have researched one to produce parts and are claiming that you dont know them either. Thats a bit of an odd thing to say really if i am honest.

 

Jim

 

i dont think pete has actually said he doesn't know them, just that someone who knows 90s better than him had ok'd the etch

 

possibly researched the same way the class 172 etches pete did for me which were measured and photographed by myself as i had unrestricted access to the real thing at a spot where i could stand there with a tape measure and camera at my own leisure, something which im 99% sure pete is unable to do as he has no PTS etc. I then ok'd the etches myself as "fit for purpose" knowing full well there would have to be compromises compared to the real thing to enable me to fit them to the model

 

one thing is for sure that when pete produces an etch you can guarentee one of the major players will announce they are releasing an updated version of the model (class 67 kit for example!!)

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I dont agree Jim

 

Any designer needs to understand what they are designing at least as much as the client does. All info supplied needs to be checked and double checked and as such the designer often ends up with a better understanding than the client.

 

Like you say theres often compromises so while the client knows what they want part of the design process includes why they dont get exactly what they always want. Again a better understanding being communicated from the designer to the client.

 

Cheers

 

Jim

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OK; we know where everyone's standpoint is on this. Can we just relax a little bit please?

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Not my cup of tea because it is far too "new railway" for me, but well done Pete for your efforts to transform the Hornby offering. Because I am not into stuff post 1970s I always thought the horby moulding wan't too bad, but your transformation is amazing.

 

Now about the resin replacement class 24 and class 25 cabs for the Bachmann type twos ...............................................

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Hi Pete

 

Will you be making the ETH bits available on their own? I can see quite a market for them, especially if you do bulk packs too?

 

Cheers

 

Jim

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I have a question, are the cab side windows on the Hornby 90 the wrong size, and does the etch correct the problem? Only asking as if you compair the res livery on the model to the real thing, the models flashes of light blue cover one of the bodyside grills, on the model it doesn`t. The dark grey upper band is the depth of the cabside window on both. So is it the windows too deep or the grills on the bodyside not deep enough?

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Pretty sure the body side griils are either the wrong size, in the wrong place or both.

 

Hth

 

Jim

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looks like a very good kit for the 90 pete! i can say as soon as a 90 appears through my door ill be sure to make a purchase as soon as possible! (when its out that is) :P

 

 

thanks

 

dan

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Hello to everyone I will answer the question as they were asked if I may.

 

Jim

 

I will consider offering the ETH connectors as a separate item in the future.

 

Cheesysmith

 

The Hornby window apertures are ok when scaled down from 1:1, it depend how big a difference you feel .05mm is @ 1:76th scale (3.8mm @ 1:1) and the frames are not fitted parallel to the cab side as they lean in several of the pictures posted earlier in the thread show this, the Hornby glazing is far too thick the only parts you would need to keep from the Hornby model are the cab door glazing as this is ok and is used to hold the false cab interior in place.

 

As Jim has mentioned the side grills are the wrong size in height top to bottom more than anything and having them solid does not help, but they have good detail and will give a lot of problems I feel to replace to the same standard.

 

As for using a livery to gauge weather part is right or wrong, I would not rely on that as each loco can be painted in the same livery, the positioning of that livery will never be exactly the same on each loco, I looked for pictures of 90028 on the internet and found one before I painted the model and I could not find pictures of any two EWS class 90's that had the same width gold stripe on them, so I had to place it so I was happy on the model a compromise.

 

Dan

 

I should have the class 90 set on the web site in time for the start of September at the latest but hopefully before then.

 

I hope this helps you all.

 

Pete

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the new grill does look better, although I stick with my thought that its a shame that theres no kit (other than the Hurst kit when availiable) to replace the awful pantograph that comes with Hornbys' 90

 

NL

 

Are the Hornby Class 87 Brecknell Willis pantographs available as spares? These are a vast improvement over the older pans we know and hate from the ageing Class 86/90.

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Pete

 

Can we see a picture of the finalised front grille and lights etch?

 

Thanks

 

Stuart

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Only posted that due to noticing the difference between 90018 photo in res and compairing it to the Hornby model of the same loco. Even I`m not daft enough to use livery as a reference to incorrect dimentions, just asking if there was a discrepancy.

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Ok Cheesysmith fair enough.

 

I don't know your level of modelling experience so I was giving a general reply.

 

Sorry if my reply up set you it was not meant to.

 

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Are the Hornby Class 87 Brecknell Willis pantographs available as spares? These are a vast improvement over the older pans we know and hate from the ageing Class 86/90.

 

Hi- Stuart

 

Sadly I dont think they are, theyre an improvment but still very "thin" looking IMO, if someone would make a more scale kit itd sell well, you can scratch build but a kit would be nice to save time getting dimensions etc

 

NL

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