RMweb Gold russ p Posted October 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2017 Something tells me its a through pipe painted the wrong colour! If it was an air braked loco it should have a main res pipe too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bon Accord Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Something tells me its a through pipe painted the wrong colour! If it was an air braked loco it should have a main res pipe too That what I was thinking Russ. Perhaps fitted in case the loco was in need of rescue on the Whitby workings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 These two have already appeared on an earlier thread I started but they fit the bill here as well, taken on the Rheine - Emden line in West Germany in August 1974: 1) 012 061-8 at Lingen after we had alighted from a northbound express. The lady with the shopping does not seem very impressed with the Pacific waiting for the 'off'. 2) Engine crew of 012 082-4 at Rheine waiting to take over from an electric loco. Trevor 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted October 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2017 That what I was thinking Russ. Perhaps fitted in case the loco was in need of rescue on the Whitby workings? In think the J27 had one but painted correctly I don't think its for Whitby as the stock is vac more likely so it can be hauled with brake force vehicles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Scott Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Something tells me its a through pipe painted the wrong colour! If it was an air braked loco it should have a main res pipe too Not necessarily. The resevoir pipe is an option to speed up release process. Single pipe working is ok. GE locos were air fitted on a single pipe system as are the IoW railway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted October 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2017 Not necessarily. The resevoir pipe is an option to speed up release process. Single pipe working is ok. GE locos were air fitted on a single pipe system as are the IoW railway I know what you are saying but if it had been air braked for today's railway it would have a main res pipe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Scott Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I know what you are saying but if it had been air braked for today's railway it would have a main res pipe The problem I have found is total lack of info on braking system fitted on any loco. Data sheets have every piece of info bar brakes. It is annoying. What is even more anoying is that I was at Whitby recentlly and could have checked but didnt give it a thought and it was the B1 which hauled the train to Pickering Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted October 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 11, 2017 It's passed for mainline ops so I assume it has a compressor fitted. So far as I know vacuum braking is still allowed on the mainline, though it limits recovery options somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I know what you are saying but if it had been air braked for today's railway it would have a main res pipe It's a blow thru for main line recovery or dragging as part of a consist. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2017 If it is a through pipe it should be painted white to indicate this; red if brakes on the locomotive are operated by the through system by the locomotive at the head of the train (or assisting in rear). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 If it is a through pipe it should be painted white to indicate this; red if brakes on the locomotive are operated by the through system by the locomotive at the head of the train (or assisting in rear). It is a through pipe, trust me, I work with it 5 days a week, it should be painted white but people largely have other things to do than worry about the colour of a small air tap. There are no air brakes on that loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted October 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2017 Should really be painted especially if it goes on the mainline, there was once a near runaway not far from there because a cock was the wrong colour, the one at the back wasn't though but the guard missed that along with the fact that the blocks hadn't touched the wheels! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2017 Exactly; this is very basic safety and there is little excuse for getting it wrong if a potential mistake can be made. If people have other things to worry about than the colour of a small air tap and the pipe it connects to, then their supervisors or somebody of equal responsibility are remiss in not ensuring that they do not have other things to worry about. Safety is a culture and a priority, and while this might look like nit picking, I would remind you of a comment made to me by my Guard's inspector when he passed me out on Rules and Regulations, that 'every one of these rules has a bucket of blood on the end of it'. He was a cheery sort of cove, but he wasn't smiling when he said that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) The NYMR does not use air braked stock, it wouldn't be used in their day to day operation or at all, even if the loco fails we have to supply our own rescue locos which are vac braked. It's not going to cause some sort of hideous incident where a train f.ucks off on its own on a vac only railway. When it goes elsewhere on the network that's between the B1 trust and the operator. Edited October 12, 2017 by Boris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 When it goes elsewhere on the network that's between the B1 trust and the operator. That may very well be true but it's not hard to envisage a situation where the B1 has failed on the mainline and has to be dragged at the end of an air-braked train with the crew not realising that it is unbraked. It could roll away dangerously if the coupling parted. Everybody has a moral duty - when not a legal one - to make these unsafe conditions known before there is an accident. Whilst such a scenario is unlikely, it is not impossible and would seriously damage the ability of operators of heritage vehicles to persuade the powers that be that they know what they are doing. Does anyone have a contact details for the responsible person at the B1 Trust? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2017 As one of my bosses was fond of saying “Come the enquiry......” 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 'Where it goes elsewhere on the network that's between the B1 trust and the owner'. Not my fault, mate, someone else's job; works fine here where there are no air brakes. But nobody responsible has determined whose job it is, and nothing is ever going to go wrong because nothing ever has yet, right? This is deeply and dangerously flawed thinking, suggests to me more than just a wrongly painted pipe on a loco, not in itself a big issue or a disaster waiting to happen, but this very complacency is itself the danger; it is indicative of a safety culture of 'good enough, never been trouble before' which when you are running heavy lumps of steel that take half a mile to stop about the place has an unfortunate tendency to produce people who turn up at the Inquiry and say that they never thought it could happen... Safety on a full size railway is a deadly serious business and cannot be messed about with or taken lightly Edited October 12, 2017 by The Johnster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) The NYMR does not use air braked stock, it wouldn't be used in their day to day operation or at all, even if the loco fails we have to supply our own rescue locos which are vac braked. It's not going to cause some sort of hideous incident where a train f.ucks off on its own on a vac only railway. When it goes elsewhere on the network that's between the B1 trust and the operator. Isn't the NYMR now a mainline operator, using the B1 over the national network on Whitby services? Edited October 12, 2017 by Christopher125 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2017 Is that a through air pipe fitted to the B1? Visible adjacent to the right hand buffer? Confusion reigns. During my recent visit I saw the pipe and thought the B1 had air-brakes. Looking at my photos the front cock is red but the lever on the tender cock looks as if it is white. Recipe for a cock-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Newcastle 31/7/95 Trevor 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Does anyone have a contact details for the responsible person at the B1 Trust? The photograph was taken over two and half years ago. It may be the correct colour now? Humour alert: "Never in the topic of the human side of the railways was so much hot air expelled by so many about a red painted cock (Air) in preservation, to so few." Whinestone Chaplebank 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted October 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2017 The photograph was taken over two and half years ago. It may be the correct colour now? Still red at the front last week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Stonebridge Park driver Vince Evans, circa 1969. Tom 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev52A Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) How about 'people in the urban landscape with a train going past'? - It has to be deliberate or it doesn't count(!) This was a Southbound HST near the site of Bensham station in Gateshead in 1985. The train is going over an underpass known locally as 'dead man's arch'! Trevor Edited October 15, 2017 by Trev52A 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted October 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2017 Scarey to think that baby is mid 30s now but the scene seems like yesterday! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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