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There were definitely some great characters around in those days - at Old Oak we had Derek 'Fangs' Dyer, a jovial Welshman with very few teeth to his name, always good for a wind up and he gave as good as he got. He was one of those who came across as a bit intimidating at first but once you got to know him he was a real charmer, very generous and he was one of the first to put me in the chair when I arrived at 81A. Old Oak was full of blokes like that, most have gone to the great mess room in the sky now and are much missed.

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@Oldddudders Do you remember the rather round, Scottish MOM based ( I think ) at London Bridge, covered down to Charlton - Blackheath - Hither Green. There's another 'character'

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12 hours ago, 73c said:

@Oldddudders Do you remember the rather round, Scottish MOM based ( I think ) at London Bridge, covered down to Charlton - Blackheath - Hither Green. There's another 'character'

Sadly no. MOMs rather post-date my immersion in the real railway, although I think two of my most able staff at Dartford (I was SM '79-80) subsequently took such roles, at which I imagine they excelled. I lost touch with day-to-day when Divisions closed in 1984, and I moved to RHQ Waterloo. No 'On-call' was nice after a decade, but I missed some of the other life, too. 

 

It didn't mean the phone never rang at home, though. A number of us were quite rightly mobilised in the wake of the Stoats Nest accident, and on at least one Sunday night Chris Green rang, probably about something in the papers for Network Investment Panel the next day, for which I was secretary. All a long time ago now!

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Dartford station, early 1962....

 

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Shortly after the above photo was taken the two likely lads depicted answered an advert in 'Jazz News', placed by a chap from Cheltenham called Brian Jones who was forming a new R&B group....

 

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I know this is sort of the wrong way around,  but I recently had a fantastic phone conversation with a chap who phoned up to place an order for a book.

 

His name is Gordon Carter and he was a second man at Old Oak in the days of the hydraulics, finishing up driving out of Stonebridge Park.

 

He was so funny, full of anecdotes, a wicked sense of humour, and I have the distinct feeling that he would have been a memorable work colleague to say the least.

 

I wondered, given the wealth of experience on here, whether anyone had any memories or pictures of Gordon?  I'm sure they would be worth sharing.

 

One of his comments to me, on the NBL Class 22 locos - "I loved those little locos...good for sleeping" Priceless!

 

As these posts ought to include a picture, here's the late Peter Barnfield's lovely shot of D6315 at Truro on the "Cornishman" on Thursday 18th August 1960. 

 

Simon

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for that Nidge.

 

Going through some photographs I recently acquired, this is labelled "last steam at Old Oak Common 21st Mar 1965" and has some good characters in it:

 

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, bude_branch said:

 

Not by much apparently :

 

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See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-15333771 for more details.

 

 

Slight misnomer - Mick and Keith didn't form the Stones, they joined Brian Jones existing outfit which became the Stones, and the name was chosen by Brian. The line up shifted around a bit in those early days, but Brian took on Bill Wyman because he was the only one who owned his own bass amp!

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1 hour ago, Oldddudders said:

It is my distinct impression that steam was almost dead on the South Eastern by 1962, so those two chaps may have been there a little earlier?

Go on Youtube and check out David Bowie's impersonation of Mick Jagger! David was a guest on "Parkinson" :haha:

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1 hour ago, Rugd1022 said:

 

Slight misnomer - Mick and Keith didn't form the Stones, they joined Brian Jones existing outfit which became the Stones, and the name was chosen by Brian. The line up shifted around a bit in those early days, but Brian took on Bill Wyman because he was the only one who owned his own bass amp!

 

Thank you for that. Brian Jones had been at my school (some years before my time) and was still spoken of with a mixture of awe and mystification by those who had taught him.

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3 hours ago, Oldddudders said:

It is my distinct impression that steam was almost dead on the South Eastern by 1962, so those two chaps may have been there a little earlier?

The last pannier tanks, other than some stored ones, left OOC in March 1965. Passenger steam working out of Paddington had ended in 1964.

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14 hours ago, Oldddudders said:

It is my distinct impression that steam was almost dead on the South Eastern by 1962, so those two chaps may have been there a little earlier?

Living in Erith, I would say that it was totally finished for passengers by then. I can remember going on holiday to Birchington steam - hauled in 1958 or 1959 (change at Dartford), but after that, not.

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53 minutes ago, 62613 said:

Living in Erith, I would say that it was totally finished for passengers by then. I can remember going on holiday to Birchington steam - hauled in 1958 or 1959 (change at Dartford), but after that, not.

I think that fits. Kent Coast Electrification Phase 1 was done by mid-1960, so nothing via the Dartford group of lines needed steam any more. I thought the boast was that the SE was the first BR Division to abolish steam, by end-1961, Phase 2 going live from 12th June. I had watched steam on No 1 Boat Train Route at Tonbridge in early 1961, but the juice was already on and CEPs were doing trial trips and crew training. 

 

Tonbridge itself will have had steam incursions from Central after 1961, both from Three Bridges and Redhill, the latter not being converted to diesel until 3.1.1965. 

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3 minutes ago, franciswilliamwebb said:

 

Not to mention a third person's sleeve peeking round the concrete post! :scratchhead:

 

Jumping Jack Photoshop :lol:

 

D'you know, I hadn't noticed that!! Ah well, the info on the blue plaque still needs updating!

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I heard about Jed's passing elsewhere, very sad to hear, he's been around seemingly forever. The last time I saw him was at New St on a ballast job, he came over for a chat, a really nice guy who will be missed by many.

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3 hours ago, Rugd1022 said:

Vauxhall station, c.1968....

 

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Blimey that’s a rare album!! Bob Brunning’s claim to fame was he was the original bass player with Fleetwood Mac as John McVie wouldn’t join as he was earning a regular wage with John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers (despite the group’s name already being based on his and Mick Fleetwood’s names), only joining later allegedly because he thought John Mayall’s music was becoming too jazzy. He’s the guy in the velvet suit waving. Peter Green appears to have returned the favour playing lead guitar on track 2 of this album. Brunning also played in the blues band Savoy Brown after his temporary stint in Fleetwood Mac - then with the band who made this album (and a couple of other albums). He also wrote several books and had a career in education.  Amazing how dirty stations looked in the immediate post steam era (and built up areas in general - from pre smokeless zone household coal use as well). 

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