Guest Phil Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 In a phone conversation with my dad the other night he made one of his usual dogmatic statements that all BR steam locomotive cabside numbers were black edged. I have no proof to counter his statement, apart from if they were hand painted, surely it would take more than one shift to paint the cream / white number, and the black edging around it. Perhaps that was acceptable for passenger and mixed traffic locos painted green, maroon or blue, but wouild there be any point in painting a black edging around a plain black 8F, 4F or whatever ? Interested to hear any thoughts on this, but more importantly any factual information. Personally, I'd have thought that an engine such as a 4F or 8F painted plain black wouldn't have such adornment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 This is one of those times when it feels so good to model the GWR! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I think your dad could be right Phil. There is a photograph in 'Railway Liveries' showing part of the cab side of 34105 (in preservation) where the caption says "note the locomotive number transfer embodies black edging to the cream numbers" and 'British Railways in Colour' includes a photo of 46203's cabside showing the black edging which must be pre preservation 'cos it's green. Bear in mind that, while lining was applied by hand, most numbers were applied by transfers so any black edging would only be seen on green or red engines even though it doesn't show up on many photographs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Phil, does dear old dogmatic Dad know that you're appealing to fellow RMwebbers to help you win your family arguments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pobrien Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Two photos of Bristol Barrow Road Jubilees cabsides http://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/5765566970/in/set-72157625527116710 http://www.flickr.com/photos/bristolsteam/5220937869/in/set-72157625527116710 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Phil, does dear old dogmatic Dad know that you're appealing to fellow RMwebbers to help you win your family arguments? Maybe not, but I wouldn't have been the first to describe him as such. I'm not particularly wanting to "win the family argument", just seeking fact. When did transfers replace paint ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 When did transfers replace paint ? Just guessing but I would suggest in the 1920s. Some pre-group railways may even have used transfers (that's another guess BTW). There are many 1920s photos in many books describing the loco number as "hand painted" implying that transfers were the norm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Transfers were in use before 1900. There's a company in Birmingham that made them which still exists. Can't remember the name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC126 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Butchers transfers was/is the company. They used to make model transfers too (at least for the former SMS range). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Butchers transfers was/is the company. They used to make model transfers too (at least for the former SMS range). No that wasn't the one I was thinking of. Eventually found it. "Tearne and Sons" who the NRM says were the "the main manufacturer of railway transfer art in Britain". See http://www.nrm.org.uk/~/media/Files/NRM/PDF/archiveslists2012/businesses/Introduction%20to%20Tearne%20and%20archive%20list.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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