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9 hours ago, robmcg said:

 

Hi David, a valid option in my opinion, and with due respect for copyright, is to use a ptototype photo, or sections of several, and paste a photo of a model onto it, with hand-computer mouse painted touching up...  Here are some examples; a Hornby/Jouef H0 241P SNCF 4-8-2, an Intermmountain H0 Southern Pacific AC8 4-8-8-2 in Colorado c1950, and a BR green Hornby Duchess.  It may be phoney, it may look phoney to some, but I enjoy it. Sometimes I just go for atmosphere.  My memories of steam begin in 1953 as a 3 year old standing on a footbridge and being covered in smoke, very exciting!

 

Altogether most enjoyable and I like your thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gives an idea of some of the options, I even have several at Haymarket...    but I certainly don't think 'adding smoke' is all that easy, 

Hi Robbie

 

First thank you for your kind comments.

 

I agree I also enjoy occasionally adding smoke to my photos by using my own images taken on the layout, I take many photos of the same image at different focal lengths with the camera mounted on a tripod.

 

I then do my own version of photo stacking then photoshop in a background usually a sky one and then add smoke using layers in Adobe Elements 11.

 

Thats my version and as I said model railway photography is as important to me as the actual modelling itself and both have to look right.

 

I have over the years seen many of your images on RMWeb and you create great atmosphere in them but I still have no idea how you achieve them but you do produce excellent results and stunning images which are  works of art in themselves.

 

Thank you for taking the time to reply and showing more of your photos.

 

Regards

 

David

 

 

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[30368]

Hi David,

 

The Pro-scale V2 kit is just about complete apart from coal and a bit of weathering on the tender. I am satisfied with the results and grateful for all the help and advice received during the build.

 

60896 was one of the V2's transferred to the SR during the "axle crises" performed on the Belle fairly often. I decided not to remove the front footsteps and add the bracket supporting the cylinder drain pipes and I have not fitted the additional lamp bracket on the R/H side (as you look at it) of the smokebox door, I may change my mind on that temp. mod. The V2s did run with the front steps in place on the SR.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

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4 hours ago, 30368 said:

Hi David,

 

The Pro-scale V2 kit is just about complete apart from coal and a bit of weathering on the tender. I am satisfied with the results and grateful for all the help and advice received during the build.

 

60896 was one of the V2's transferred to the SR during the "axle crises" performed on the Belle fairly often. I decided not to remove the front footsteps and add the bracket supporting the cylinder drain pipes and I have not fitted the additional lamp bracket on the R/H side (as you look at it) of the smokebox door, I may change my mind on that temp. mod. The V2s did run with the front steps in place on the SR.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

Hi Richard

 

A lovely looking model, that is something I could never do, build a metal locomotive kit.

 

Thank you for posting your photos.

 

Regards

 

David

 

[Tony Wright]

Good evening David,

 

Mention has been made of the necessity of having KINGFISHER on your layout of Haymarket. I concur, though it's your choice, after all. 

 

Never having got to Scotland until after steam's demise, I had to content myself with seeing 64B's A4s on 'The Elizabethan' during the summer season. Such was their reliability that one would see the same one, day after day, Up, then Down, then Up, and so on. Magnificent MERLIN was the most common (I think, along with 60012, she holds the record for the most consecutive runs), but 60024 also was a regular, at least in the later years. Having seen both of them on this famous train, I had to have them.

 

I built KINGFISHER (which was started by a mate, before he found out that the complex A4 curves were too much!) from a Pro-Scale kit for service originally on Stoke Summit.

 

 

 

Ian Rathbone did his usual superb painting.

 

 

Now, of course, she takes the 'Lizzie' on Little Bytham (not quite right for 1958, but it's my trainset). 

 

I've had three 60024s on Little Bytham.

 

Dylan's, which has featured, and........

 

 

Eric Kidd's, which he also built from a Pro-Scale kit (and had the courage to paint it himself). 

 

Mention has also been made of digital smoke effects. Here are three of my attempts..........

 

 

 

 

As I say, I think they add nothing to a model's image, largely because I'm not very good at doing it.

 

I hope all the above prove of interest.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

[30368]

Some better pics of my V2 David.

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

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54 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening David,

 

Mention has been made of the necessity of having KINGFISHER on your layout of Haymarket. I concur, though it's your choice, after all. 

 

Never having got to Scotland until after steam's demise, I had to content myself with seeing 64B's A4s on 'The Elizabethan' during the summer season. Such was their reliability that one would see the same one, day after day, Up, then Down, then Up, and so on. Magnificent MERLIN was the most common (I think, along with 60012, she holds the record for the most consecutive runs), but 60024 also was a regular, at least in the later years. Having seen both of them on this famous train, I had to have them.

 

I built KINGFISHER (which was started by a mate, before he found out that the complex A4 curves were too much!) from a Pro-Scale kit for service originally on Stoke Summit.

 

 

 

Ian Rathbone did his usual superb painting.

 

 

Now, of course, she takes the 'Lizzie' on Little Bytham (not quite right for 1958, but it's my trainset). 

 

I've had three 60024s on Little Bytham.

 

Dylan's, which has featured, and........

 

 

Eric Kidd's, which he also built from a Pro-Scale kit (and had the courage to paint it himself). 

 

Mention has also been made of digital smoke effects. Here are three of my attempts..........

 

 

 

 

As I say, I think they add nothing to a model's image, largely because I'm not very good at doing it.

 

I hope all the above prove of interest.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

 

 

Hi Tony

 

Thank you for your input and photos, your model of 60024 Kingfisher does look superb especially that centre low level photo of her I really think that shows up the superb lines of the A4 Pacific.

 

I will at some point definitely add 60024 Kingfisher to my collection especially as along with 60009 they were the only two Haymarket based A4's I ever saw.

 

The Elizabethan became Diesel hauled the year I started train-spotting to my regret.

 

I do take your point about adding smoke although in all fairness you have created smoke effects on fast moving express locomotives at high speed which I think must be one of the hardest to achieve.

 

If ever I add smoke it's to a photo of a stationary or very slow moving locomotive.

 

Regards

 

David

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A few more side on photos of Gresley's A3's and a Thompson A2/3 and not a sigh of smoke anywhere.

 

Both A3's are Hornby RTR and the A2/3 is a Bachmann/G King conversion.

 

Regards

 

David

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1 hour ago, 30368 said:

Some better pics of my V2 David.

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

Very nice Richard

 

David

[Ray Flintoft]

15 hours ago, 30368 said:

Some better pics of my V2 David.

 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

Hi Richard ,

    Your V.2 looks superb , you've made a great job of a notoriously difficult kit  . You've also captured the look of a slightly shabby V.2 to perfection . Keep them coming!

                                                Ray .

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Hi 

 

Tonights photo shows Kings Cross based A4 60010 Dominion of Canada with the fireman taking a short break looking out of the cab-side window before working down to Waverley Station.

 

This A4 brings back happy memories for me as the driver let my friend and myself into the cab, the A4 was standing at the buffer stops at Kings Cross station having just arrived with an express from the North.

 

Following the brief discussion on adding smoke effects to photos I decided to apply it to this photo, and as its a slow moving locomotive it's much easier to obtain a smokey effect.

 

Regards

 

David

[manna]

G'Day Folks

 

To my eyes, that looks very good, KX, Passenger loco kicked up scenes like that.

 

manna

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7 hours ago, manna said:

G'Day Folks

 

To my eyes, that looks very good, KX, Passenger loco kicked up scenes like that.

 

manna

Hi manna

 

Thank you, when I do add a smoke effect using Photoshop Elements I do look for a prototype photo and sometimes blend to photo effects into one.

 

But this is only very occasionally as the the photo I take on the layout has to look right  to me in the first place before any effects are added. 

 

Regards

 

David

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Hi

 

This will be my last posting on Haymarket for a few weeks so I enclose photos of two visiting locomotives at Haymarket posing as I have seen many times in photos both in the same location next to the turntable.

 

Both Hornby RTR models, both have been renamed and numbered plus weathering and additional detailing added.

 

Regards

 

David

[steve fay]

Very nice,  I do like engine shed layouts.  

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2 minutes ago, steve fay said:

Very nice,  I do like engine shed layouts.  

Hi Steve

 

Thank you for your kind comments.

 

Regards

 

David

[31A]

Thank you for posting these lovely pictures of your layout and it's beautiful LNER locos; I look forward to seeing more when you're able to post some more!

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1 hour ago, 31A said:

Thank you for posting these lovely pictures of your layout and it's beautiful LNER locos; I look forward to seeing more when you're able to post some more!

Thank you, I have just recently been experimenting with different photo views around the layout mainly by looking at prototype photos.

 

There will be plenty more photos once I return, and I’m hoping to progress more scenics work to the East Yard  track work as well.

 

Regards

 

David

 

 

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My very last job on Haymarket for a few weeks was to fit the first of fourteen yard lights.

 

I ordered two initially one to experiment on with additional detailing to replicate on lights at Haymarket and get them as close as I can get.

 

And  this one just to see what it looks like in situ.

 

I did give it a quick spray with Railmatch Weathering spray “Roof Dirt” but it definitely needs more to blend it in, still looks far to clean to me

 

Regards

 

David

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Hi

Does anyone know the approx height and diameter of a standard wooden line side  telegraph pole.

 

Regards

 

David

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[robmcg]

Hi David, I can't help with the telephone poles but noted today when reading a book in appreciation of BR Standard Pacifics that Clans 72005 and 72006 were described as being allocated to Haymarket 64B from Oct 1957 to May 1958 (from memory)   and wondered if your models cover this period and if you need an excuse to buy one of these superb models?   

 

Here is my pristine 72005 with appropriate photo trickery,  these are superb models. 

 

 

I could have done it with a Haymarket shed background but never imaginged the class ventured there, unless very rarely.

 

Now you can join the discussion about running plate top colour in the Clan thread...    

 

I suspect it was usually the colour of dirty workboots and general weathering as much as pure black or green.

 

Cheers

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8 hours ago, robmcg said:

Hi David, I can't help with the telephone poles but noted today when reading a book in appreciation of BR Standard Pacifics that Clans 72005 and 72006 were described as being allocated to Haymarket 64B from Oct 1957 to May 1958 (from memory)   and wondered if your models cover this period and if you need an excuse to buy one of these superb models?   

 

Here is my pristine 72005 with appropriate photo trickery,  these are superb models. 

 

 

I could have done it with a Haymarket shed background but never imaginged the class ventured there, unless very rarely.

 

Now you can join the discussion about running plate top colour in the Clan thread...    

 

I suspect it was usually the colour of dirty workboots and general weathering as much as pure black or green.

 

Cheers

Hi Robbie

 

Nice photo of 72005, actually members of the clan class were shedded at Haymarket in two separate periods at Haymarket in the late 1950’s.

 

Although I believe they were not very popular with the Haymarket crews and that’s the reason why they weren’t there very long.

 

The period I am modelling is 1958/59 so it’s suits my layout perfectly.

 

 I do have 72005 on my layout photo enclosed.

 

Regards

 

David

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[robmcg]

Ah yes, I should have known...  I may have seen that 72005 before?  

 

I was wondering about our photos of 64B shed and whether there was ever any lighting which suited the other side of these engines? Prototype pics seem to be commonly the fireman's side.

 

Good luck with the lighting poles, it will certainly add to the atmosphere.

[31A]

On 29/11/2021 at 08:10, landscapes said:

Hi

Does anyone know the approx height and diameter of a standard wooden line side  telegraph pole.

 

Regards

 

David

 

An article in MRJ No. 43 by Paul Karau says they were around 9 or 10 inches in diameter at the base.  He made them from 1/8" dowel and tapered them with glass paper.  He doesn't say what height he made them, I suppose it varies.  Adding the cross bars etc. sounds quite fiddly, he seems to have used some sort of strip wood.

 

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7 hours ago, 31A said:

 

An article in MRJ No. 43 by Paul Karau says they were around 9 or 10 inches in diameter at the base.  He made them from 1/8" dowel and tapered them with glass paper.  He doesn't say what height he made them, I suppose it varies.  Adding the cross bars etc. sounds quite fiddly, he seems to have used some sort of strip wood.

 

Hi

 

many thanks for the information, it was the diameter that I was trying to find out.

 

Regards

 

David

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Hi

 

My first post for some time now.

 

A4 60009 Union of South Africa rolls of the turntable  to the Ash Pits while A2 60537 Bachelors Button runs North past the MPD.

 

Regards

 

David

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