Scottish Locomotives

[pH]

A very beautiful loco indeed, here's an example I found at the rear of Hawick shed in 1963. Judging by the bend in the running plate, it had been used for banking duties.

 

Nice photo but are you sure about Hawick? These locos were never based there. Carstairs maybe? A few were stored there and the location certainly looks more rural.

 

Dave.

 

I'd suggest Beattock. 54507 was a long-time Dumfries engine. It wasn't used a lot latterly, and was eventually moved to Beattock for storage.

[andytrains]

Thought that I would add a few picture of some of my Scottish Model locos:-

 

Ex- NER LNER class G5, 67287. One of three based in Scotland in the early 1950's. 67287 was based at 61A Kittybrewster.

Edited October 27, 2012 by andytrains

[andytrains]

42417. One of several Fowler 2-6-4T locos that were based in Scotland at Greenock until the ealy 1950's when then were transferred away to England. 42417 is a Hornby model with Perseverance overlays for the tank side and enclosed cab.

Edited October 27, 2012 by andytrains

[andytrains]

Thought that I would add a few picture of some of my Scottish Model locos:-

 

Ex- NER LNER class G5, 67287. One of three based in Scotland in the early 1950's. 67287 was based at 61A Kittybrewster.

[andytrains]

Ex-LMS Jinty, 47536 was based at 66A Polmadie in the 1950's. Pictures I have of 47536 show her running without a crest or an emblem on the tank side.

This is the Bachmann model with Ultrascale EM Wheelsets, and Brassmasters detailing kit.

[andytrains]

Ex-LMS Jinty, 47536 was based at 66A Polmadie in the 1950's. Pictures I have of 47536 show her running without a crest or an emblem on the tank side.

This is the Bachmann model with Ultrascale EM Wheelsets, and Brassmasters detailing kit.

Sorry about the fingerprint on the right hand tank side. Will have to sort that one out!

[sulzer27jd]

Ex Caledonian, ex LMS McIntosh 2P in ex GNSR, ex LNER territory;

 

 

Running the branch shuttle of Claterinbrigg

[shellshock]

As requested by benachie from a thread I stared about lining a Drummond 0-4-4 tank engine out in BR black livery here are the 3 Scottish locomotives that I have built so far. First a Jidenco HR Drummond 0-4-4 tank engine in fully lined out BR livery in fact over and beyond what BR would normally do.

 

 

 

Then we have a HR Jones 4-4-0 Tank engine in Drummond I livery built froma Jidenco kit

 

 

 

Finally a ex GNSR D41 4-4-0 locomotive in BR black lined livery built from a Nu Cast Kit

 

 

 

Hope you like them.

Edited November 19, 2012 by shellshock

[andytrains]

I particularly like the Highland 0-4-4T. A loco with a lot of character I think the BR mixed traffic livery really suited these lovely little locos. Shame that one was not preserved and don't get me started on 54398 Ben Alder!

And also they had the in-dignity of being usurped by two GWR types. (Although built after Nationalisation).

Strangely enough the first loco kit I ever built was a 16xx tank from a Cotswold kit. I still have it and might have to give it a make over as 1649.

[Portchullin Tatty]

Here are a couple more for the Highland Enthusiasts; both built and belonging to my father.

 

Firstly, a Highland Barney. This originates from a Jameson kit for a CR Jumbo. Any that know the Jumb (or for that matter the LSWR Blackmotor) will struggle to see the differences:

 

 

And secondly, a needing a little attention because the tender is not sitting correctly and it has a short that needs eliminating, a Skye Bogie. This originates from a Jidenco kit but has had an awful lot of work to it - not least because it was reconstructed 2mm wider than the kit as this was necessary to get the clearances for P4.

 

[Al Reid]

They say Envy is a sin---well I am a sinner. What models. With Simon Kholer of Hornby taslking about smart modelling could the T9 chassis be uses as the basis of a Caley 4-4-0. I am hopeless at construction not helpednow by arthritis and alwsays wondered about the Hornby M7 being converted into a Caley 0-4-4T. Indeed decades ago I wrote to W S Stevens Stratton of Model Railway Constructor asking if I could convert the new Triang M7 to a Caley Tank for a then projected C&O layout. He indicated it was possible with some compromises. Is this another possibility for smart modelling from Hornby?

 

I had always hoped that Harburn would commision one a la Kernow and indceed suggested this to them, sadly without a reply.

[Jim49]

Al, the march 1972 edition of Railway Modeller had an article on converting a Triang M7 to a Caley 439 Class 0-4-4 tank.

Basically, the procedure was to remove 4mm from the front buffer beam, 4mm from the boiler immediately in front of the cab

and narrow the cab & bunker area by taking a 6mm slice out of that section. The heights of the side tanks and coal bunker 

were increased with plasticard to size. The author, Ronald Cockburn, makes no mention of changing driving wheels, etc.

 

The author freely admits that the end result is a representation of a 439 class loco rather than a scale model but given that

the M7 itself was not much better, is quite pleased with the conversion. Hornby's current version of the M7 is so far removed

from the original Triang offering that it would take a very brave man to try the same operation today. But if anyone on here has

tried it, please let's see the results.

[Ben Alder]

I have butchered a M7- the new one- into a representation of a Caley tank. It was done before I signed up on here, and before a digital camera, so no WIP shots,I'm afraid. I worked from a mixture of the RM drawing, a Crownline conversion kit and a DJH kit to get dimensions, so have no real idea what is right or not, but it does me. There was a lot of hacking away at the Hornby chassis,IIR, and the rear bogie should be slightly elsewhere, but I left it as it was. The whole thing runs beautifully, once I had worked out the amount of springing needed on the bogie to keep the nose down.

 

 

 

The T9 is a drop in chassis for the Pickersgill 4-4-0- all you need is the body, if you can get one. Autocom was doing them until his retirement- is this permanent this time?-, but this is my current runner, from a kit bought c1973- there is another planned for sometime this year.

 

 

[Jim49]

Thank you Richard, I thought someone on here had done the deed but could not think who it was.

[kingfisher24]

I have butchered a M7- the new one- into a representation of a Caley tank. It was done before I signed up on here, and before a digital camera, so no WIP shots,I'm afraid. I worked from a mixture of the RM drawing, a Crownline conversion kit and a DJH kit to get dimensions, so have no real idea what is right or not, but it does me. There was a lot of hacking away at the Hornby chassis,IIR, and the rear bogie should be slightly elsewhere, but I left it as it was. The whole thing runs beautifully, once I had worked out the amount of springing needed on the bogie to keep the nose down.

 

 

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The T9 is a drop in chassis for the Pickersgill 4-4-0- all you need is the body, if you can get one. Autocom was doing them until his retirement- is this permanent this time?-, but this is my current runner, from a kit bought c1973- there is another planned for sometime this year.

 

 

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 the old and new versions of the m7 can be made into fair representations of a 439 tank loco, the older triang body is easier to work with, being a one piece casting, whereas the newer model is multiple castings and it involves a lot more work but you have a finer model to work with, the main downside is the chassis on the newer model, the drivers are near enough but the rear bogie is too far back and the chassis doesnt really allow for it to be altered unless you are into major chassis surgery or butchery as some say. i would suggest that if anyone wishes to have a go at making one of these locos that you go for the older model as these can usually be picked up for around thirty quid on ebay.

 

in the picture below the front loco is made from a triang and the raer loco from a new Hornby m7.

 

[Jim49]

Thank you Gary, these are 2 excellent conversions indeed. 55209 is not too clear in your photo, being a bit further from the camera,

so is there any chance of a couple more photos of both engines please?

 

Now, there's a swap-meet at Falkirk this Sunday, I wonder if there might be any old Triang M7s floating about. I knew I had a reason

for keeping that RM article for so long.

 

Jim

[kingfisher24]

Thank you Gary, these are 2 excellent conversions indeed. 55209 is not too clear in your photo, being a bit further from the camera,

so is there any chance of a couple more photos of both engines please?

 

Now, there's a swap-meet at Falkirk this Sunday, I wonder if there might be any old Triang M7s floating about. I knew I had a reason

for keeping that RM article for so long.

 

Jim

 

 

Jim

 

here are some pictures of my caley tanks, i have also made a north british c15 from the southern m7 and for this i made a photo diary of how i did it, i did not do this for the 0-4-4 conversions but wish i had, anyway here are a few snaps, there are more in my gallery.

 

 

• Album: completed projects

2 images of the older model of triang origin.

 

 

 

this example in undercoat is my third attempt at one of these loco's again using the older triang model as a starting point.

 

 

and 2 images of the newer model using the new Hornby m7 as a starting point.

 

 

 

apoligies for the quality of the last picture as these were taken with my older camera, i was trying to show the detail by getting closer in but it did not work too well, if you want some better photos i can get the loco out and take some fresh photos if you wish.

 

gary

[Jim49]

Thanks for the offer of new photos Gary. While I would appreciate them, there is no hurry at present as I have still to find a suitable donor M7.

This will probably be the Triang version as I doubt I have the nerve to take a saw to the far superior Hornby model.

 

Thanks again,

 

Jim

[ScottW]

And for something North British. An NBR 0-6-0T Class D (LNER J83).

 

(Photographed by Barry Norman)

 

Regards,

 

Scott

[kingfisher24]

Here is my latest attempt to create a loco you can't get r-t-r using a r-t-r loco as a basis of the conversion, the loco I used for the j39 was a Bachmann j39 as this loco had the same wheelbase, albeit with wheels that were slightly larger.

For the loco I retained the j39 chassis and wheels, and also the main boiler and firebox, everything else being scratch-built. The tender is from an old gem glen which has been cut down the correct height, now the tender chassis were different but the tender doesn't look too bad to me, and its cheaper than building a kit. The total cost for this conversion being less than £20.00 ass opposed to the £100+ plus cost of a j37 kit. The main challenge was to get the lubricators of the front and rear wheel sets to work correctly as there was not much space to mount them but work not too badly after a lot of fiddling about. I have been having trouble wi my camera but will put up some new pics when I can.

[kingfisher24]

here are some snaps of my latest scratchbuild loco, ex nbr J37 number 64605 in a lightly weathered condition.

 

the conversion used a Bachmann J39 chassis as the basis, also the main boiler section from the J39, everything else being scratchbuilt in plastikard.

 

 

i was thinking about it for a while and two weeks ago i had a day off and decided to have a go at putting it all together, i started at ten in the morning and by tea time i had the loco bascically complete.

 

the main challenge was actually one of the smallest pieces, namely the lubricators on the front and rear drivers on the right hand side, i left these till last and eventually made them using horby A4 lubricators which were simply soldered to the screws that hold on the connecting rods, the other ends being attatched to small wire loops in the running plate.

 

 

the tender is a cut down gem glen tender which was near enough for me, the main differance apart from the height being a slightly differant chassis to the J37 tenders.

 

 

with the slightly large wheels the loco does still ride a little high when compard to the tender (which is the correct height) but i am hoping to cure this by fitting smaller wheels to the loco, possibly from an older collett goods. but it isnt all that bad as it is and runs well enough and, at the end of the day i have a J37 that has cost me next to nothing.

 

 

p.s i noticed after taking these snaps that the tender wheels were not on the rails properly. i was going to take more snaps but then my camera battery decided to die on me - typical.

[Ben Alder]

More innovative and creative work from you- an inspiration to those who want to get something done by themselves.

[keefer]

well done kingfisher - for all the self-mentioned shortcuts etc. i bet most folk would be hard pushed to notice the 'faults'.

 

to get something so close for not much outlay, (esp. if the prototype isn't available RTR) is always a bonus, with the added satisfaction of you did it yourself!

[Londontram]

Great thread giving me lots of ideas keep up the good work chaps

[andytrains]

A couple of pictures of Sentinel 47182. This loco was built from a Nu-Cast kit and is powered by a Black Beetle unit.

This loco built in 1930 for the LMS and was based at Ayr for some years. It was withdrawn in 1956.

Edited November 21, 2013 by andytrains